As I suspected, not one relevant response.
Kafirs of the first order!
Make me sick.
there is saying in urdu
" jesa swall waysaa jwab"
so what you asked you got it , and if you still not undersatnd i what can i say
When there is no capability of an answer, then it is best to be quiet!
This should keep you lot quiet, until at least Qiyamat for now.
sheba we arent fighting..just discussing..if Prophet said he is leaving behind Quran and his Ahlebait then why does it bother sunnis? if the sunnis really love the Prophet then how can they respect the enemies of his family..
we dont hate all the wives of Prophet but yes we do hate aisha..Prophet married her because of the will of Allah..to show u ignorant ppl that being with Prophet and living with Prophet does not always make u a nobel human and muslim
if that woman had learned anything from Prophet she wouldnt have fought with Imam Ali..whom Prophet loved more then anyone
not a single member of Prophets family is buried next to him..just think about it
[This message has been edited by Sheraz CT (edited June 01, 2001).]
OK,
Here's the nail in the coffin.
It is said that in his last days when Imam Hasan 'Askari was ill he appointed his mother as the executer of his will so that she could manage his affairs after his death. This matter was officially approved by the court. In this will there was no mention of his son. Moreover, his estate was divided between his mother and his brother.[26] Had he had a son then he would have certainly mentioned him in his last will so that he would not be deprived of his share of inheritance, according to Shar'iah.
This confirms that The Imaam Al Mehdi is not even born as yet, therefore the whole Sh'ite Philosopy is crumbled to dust.
I suggest you look hard for the birth.
Furthermore:
Q - Who is the Grand Mother of Imam Jafar Sadiq?
A - She is the Grand Daughter of Hazrat Abubakr Siddique. Her name is Asma and name of her daughter is Umme Farwah.
Q - Who is the Grand Father of Imam Jafar Sadiq?
A - He is the Grand son of Hazrat Ali and his name is Imam Zainul Abedeen.
The leader of the Iranian revolution, Imam Khomeini writes:
'Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but failed during his lifetime.' (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)
'It is a necessary principle of our faith that our Imams have ranks that exceed those of close angels and the appointed messengers.' 'A1Hukumatul Islamiyah' (52):
Jabir reported that he heard Imam Baqir saying: 'No one can claim that he has compiled the Quran as Allah revealed except a liar. The only person to compile it and memorise it according to its revelation was Ali ibn Abi Talib and the Imams who succeeded him. (Usul Kafi: 1:228)
If this doesn't constitute Kufr, then nothing does.
No more to be said.
sholay sai"
Q - Who is the Grand Mother of Imam Jafar Sadiq?
A - She is the Grand Daughter of Hazrat Abubakr Siddique. Her name is Asma and name of her daughter is Umme Farwah.
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the answer is wrong , brother can you look on the shijra you will get to know then dont make your suposed thing
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Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
**hey guys one question
who is worse..a munafiq or a kaafir?**
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yes munafiq .. but u know who is munafiq .. the one who hate Sahaba Karam like Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer and Usman.. whom Prophet Muhammed loved so much..
As u believe Holy prophets family and ur Imamas are superior to than other messengers of God.. u r worse than Qadianis.. who have only one more messenger after Hazrat Muhammed.. u have a stream of them.. U r trying to miglign those holy family of prophet...
Let's get everything into the open now.
I ain't gonna pull no punches.
I challenge any one of you to prove me wrong on the following.
The Qur'aan:
To some of them, the Holy Qur'an's authenticity is doubtful, and if it appears to contradict any of their sectarian beliefs or doctrines, then they give the Qur'anic text strange, far-fetched interpretations that agree with their sectarian views. For that reason they are called Al-Mutawwilah (those who give their own interpretations to the revealed texts). They love to draw attention to the discord that occurred at the time when the Holy Qur'an was first compiled. The views and opinions of their Imams are the primary source of their jurisprudence, though they lie on the Ahlul-Bayt A'immah whenever their statements are not in accord with their doctrines.
A'Hadeeth:
The Shi'ites reject all Prophetic Traditions (Hadith) which were not related by members of Ahlul-Bayt, or their descendants. The only exception to this rule is their acceptance of a few ahaadeeth narrated by those who sided with Sayyidina 'Ali bin Abi Taleb (Karam Allah Wajhu) in his political wars. They do not attend to the authenticity and soundness of the chain of narrators, nor do they approach the study of the Prophetic Traditions with a scientific, critical attitude. Their narrations often appear in a form like that of the following example: "It has been reported regarding Muhammad bin Isma'eel by way of some of our friends through a man who transmitted it from him 'Ali] that he said..." Their books are filled with hundreds of thousands of traditions whose validity can not be confirmed, except with the assistance of a competent Sheikh who can sift the correct Ahadeeth from the shi'ah lies. They have built their religion specifically upon these spurious texts while outright rejecting over three quarters of the Sahih (geniune, correct) Prophetic Traditions. This is one of the main differences between the Shi'ites and the majority of Muslims (a.k.a. Sunni).
The Companions:
They charge that all save a few of the Companions had turned apostate after the departure of the Holy Nabi (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam), most notable being Hadhrat Ali bin Abu Taleb, and Hadhrat Salman al-Farsi, Radhi Allahu Ta'ala Anhuma. On the other hand, they grant the Companion 'Ali bin Abi Taleb a very special status; some of them consider him vicegerent, and some view him as a Prophet, while others elevated him to the status of a deity! Shi'ites pass judgment on Muslims in accordance with their position with regards to Hadhrat 'Ali. Whoever was elected khalif before 'Ali is held by them to be a tyrant, an apostate or a sinner. The same judgment is passed on every Muslim ruler who did not step down for any of the descendants of 'Ali and his blessed wife, Sayyidah Fatimah (Alayhas-Salaam wa Radhi Allahu Ta'ala anha). The Shi'ites have thus created an atmosphere of animosity throughout the history of Islam, and the question of partisanship of Ahlul-Bait developed into a religion which preached and perpetuated such detrimental teachings down through the generations.
Oneness of Allah SWTA:
Shi'ah also believe in Allah the Exalted and His Oneness, except that they adulterate this belief with polytheistic rituals and observances. They make vows and sacrifice beasts in the name of others besides Allah. They consider their Imams to be infallible (at the same level of the Ambiya), to have the capability of receiving Wahiy and to partake in the administration of the universe. They claimed that there is special power and authority invested only in the Ahlul-Bayt Imams which is the only thing that keeps this universe in motion, and Ahlul-Bayt Shi'ite scholars and clergy impressed upon their followers the concept of a hereditary privileged class, as a matter of religion (the same thing Hadhrat Imam al-Husayn, radhi Allahu anhu, fought against, attaining martyrdom!), although this has no foundation in Islam at all. Knowledge of Allah, is attained, according to them, through the exercise of reason, not by knowledge of divinely revealed law. That which came to us by way of revelation in the Qur'an merely represents an affirmation of reason's judgment; it is not considered to be a source which is independent of, and beyond the limits of reason.
Seeing Allah SWTA:
Shi'ism states that to see Allah is not possible in this world nor in the Hereafter, regardless of what Allah Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an.
The Unseen:
They claim that knowledge of the unseen belongs solely to their Imams and none else, due to their being "infallible," as their doctrine dictates. According to most of them, it not for the Prophet to inform us about the unseen. Some Shi'ah have gone so far as to place Hadhrat Ali bin Abu Taleb at the station of Nubuwwat, along with his descendents through Sayyidina al-Husayn (Radhi Allahu Ta'ala anhuma.
With reference to the use of the terms "Sunni and Shi'ite" Muslims prefer to simply be called "Muslim. One is either Muslim or not. There is no such thing as a Shi'ite Muslim.
Next Please!
i dont know which book you giving the refrences i have all these books with me here and you are telling somthing else that does not exist here
so what can i say to you if you got the books from?????
Not only have you NOT got the books, you are also a 10% minority and always will be.
The Qur'aan was revealed for all of mankind.
Which in turn means that the majority of the human race that follows the Qur'aan will also be the majority. Very simple logic.
Who are the Majority of 90%. Not the Shi'ites from a long shot.
Anyway, answer my challenge, otherwise don't waste my time.
sholay u are wasting our time..first of all dont write too much at once..and secondly provide references..dont put garbage here from ur books
What is Al Kaafi.
Every Shi'ite is required to believe this text from Al-Kaafi as an article of their faith.
I heard Abu Jafar (upon whom be peace) say: "None of the people has claimed that he collected the Quran completely as it was reveal- ed except a liar. No one collected and memorized the Qur'an as it was revealed except `Ali bin Abi Taalib and the Imams after him.
Deny it!
The second of the two texts from Al-Kaafi mentioned above, is at- tributed to the son of Ja'far As-Saadiq. It reads:
It is related that Abu Baser said: "I entered upon Abu Abdullah [Ja'far As-Sadiq]... [Who] saidVerily we have with us the Qur'an of Fatimah (upon whom be peace).' I said: What is the Qur'an of Fatimah?' He replied:It contains three times as much as this Qur'an of yours. By Allah, it does not contain one single letter of your Qur'an' .
Is this true or false!
Of even greater audacity is the addition of an entirely fabricated surah to the Qur'an, called, "Surah al-Walayah" Translation of this false surah is as follows:
1) O believers, believe in the Prophet and the guardian(wali), whom We sent to guide you to the straight path.
2) A Prophet and a Guardian, one from the other, and I am the Knower, the Wise.
3) Verily those who fulfil their covenant to Allah will have gardens of pleasure.
4) And for those who deny our signs when they are read to them, 5) Verily they will have a terrible place in Hell when they are called for on the Day of Judgement, 'Where are the wrong-doers who denied the messengers?'
6) He only created them in truth and Allah will surely make them victorious until a time in the near future.
7) Glorify the praises of your Lord and 'Ali is among the witnesses.
What do you say now!
Nothing!
The evidence is here. At least have respect and do the honourable thing.
Become Muslims!
"sholay
Member
Posts: 78
posted June 01, 2001 02:39 PM
Not only have you NOT got the books, you are also a 10% minority and always will be.
The Qur'aan was revealed for all of mankind.
Which in turn means that the majority of the human race that follows the Qur'aan will also be the majority. Very simple logic.
Who are the Majority of 90%. Not the Shi'ites from a long shot.
Anyway, answer my challenge, otherwise don't waste my time.
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wqhat do you think as christinas are more than muslims????????
they are majority?????
you are looking a big jahil
also one more thing
you tell me majorty of sunni belives that mUHAMMAD (P BU) IS LIGHT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK SO THIS TIME YOU GONE INTO MINORTY MR JAHIL
The Qur'aan will confirm your Kafirhood.
Allah SWTA says in Surah Ale Imraan (32):
Certainly Allah has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imraan above the (families of the) worlds."
And you lot have got the cheek to deny the Qur'aan, and make up your own false beliefs.
Can you please tell me if any other family is mentioned.
Please take your time and study hard.
Finally, we were talking about the Muslims, not the Christians.
Never heard of it!
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BTW R U muslim!
MM
Exactly my point, a fabrication.
Mullah Muhsin Kashani, an 11th century Shi'ite scholar comments:
'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:32)
Which in turn means that Allah SWTA could not protect the Qur'aan as testified in the Qur'aan itself and therefore lied, and we have been following false scriptures for centuries.
It just gets worse and worse and worse, where you have ultimately disrespected the Creator.
What's next, I wonder.
Please don't waste my time anymore, I've had enough of talking to Kafirs.