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Originally posted by armughal: *
**Quran 22:68-69*
*And if they contend with you, say: Allah best knows what you do.
"Allah will judge between you on the Day of Judgment concerning the matters in which ye differ." *
do we need to really argue on who is kafir????
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agreed..........
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
what is quoted is a dream of some one in which he saw saying this kalima...........
havent read what else this fellow wrote.....but this proves his ignorance about real islam...........
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Wasn't most of Islam / Koran revealed in dreams to someone or other?
Secondly, I continue to be amazed about so many deep divisions within Islam (that most are trying to preserve) but we keep accusing Hindu casteism (which most are trying to give up)/
^ isnt it sad huh?? when it comes to one self... we turn a blind eye.... and isnt hypocracy a sin in Islam??
After reading what salaman wrote wots the difference b/w ahmadis and diobandiis
Bao Bihari sahab and all i could find in your previous posts are some bunch of lies and some unanswered questions…
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=114543&referrerid=0
and some posts that make no senseee…
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=115193&referrerid=0
what are you talking about…?
**And who are you to decide that… Let Allah be the judge… and who are those wahabis and extermist sunni mullah’s who spread terrorism and support the killing of shias… even though islam doesnt support terrorism…nor Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. supported it… he didnt even punish a girl who used to throw stones at him… and went for her aiyadat when she was sick… what do you call those people who give Islam such a bad name…(pious muslims???) Let Allah be the judge you are in no state to judge shias…specially looking after your posts in the previous forums… go and fix your believes before judging others… I am suprised how come Miss honest Sammarah jee or the judge Faisal sahab dont have a problem with you offending others.. **
Check this website out man…
and you’ll find the incident with the proper refernences.
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*Originally posted by 1eyed: *
Is cursing the companions a sin, and by doing so does an individual become kafir? (i want ahadith)
Is the killing of companions a sin, and by performing the act, does one become kafir? (i want ahadith)
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Insulting any of the companions of our master Rasool Allah is a grave sin and probably kufr. Any how, a Momin shouldnt even entertain such thoughts.
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*Originally posted by 1eyed: *
Is cursing the companions a sin, and by doing so does an individual become kafir? (i want ahadith)
Is the killing of companions a sin, and by performing the act, does one become kafir? (i want ahadith)
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Insulting the companions of the perfect one, our Master and noor of the universe, is surely kufr. And a Muslim should not even entertain such thoughts
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*Originally posted by angelo_dundee: *
Insulting the companions of the perfect one, our Master and noor of the universe, is surely kufr. And a Muslim should not even entertain such thoughts
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I am no scholar... and since its you who said the fatwah of kurf...let me ask you a question....
So does it mean... that by just being compainion of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H makes you so pious.... then why does quran qoutes this ayat:
"When they meet those who believe, they say: We Believe;' butWe are really
when they are alone with their evil ones, they say:
with you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."
Aren't some companions of the perfect one munafiq... and if so... are you saying nauzubillah quran is saying kufr????
I'm not a scholar of Koran, but that verse is obviusly giving characteristics of munafiqoon-its not naming the shaba as munafiqs!
Even if you think such things about them-you are out of the deen.
Where in that verse is it addressing them?
This is the problem when ppl with no knowledge try and analyze Al Koran and comment on the most pious of creation. The use of Aql is for the ppl of Aql. Thats not me and you. But I dont try and draw conclusions from Koran-as I havent had the training.
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*Originally posted by angelo_dundee: *
I'm not a scholar of Koran, but that verse is obviusly giving characteristics of munafiqoon-its not naming the shaba as munafiqs!
Even if you think such things about them-you are out of the deen.
Where in that verse is it addressing them?
This is the problem when ppl with no knowledge try and analyze Al Koran and comment on the most pious of creation. The use of Aql is for the ppl of Aql. Thats not me and you. But I dont try and draw conclusions from Koran-as I havent had the training.
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so you wanted Quran to give names of all the munafiqeen? calling someone munafiq would make one out of deen? how can you be sure that he has no knowledge of Quran when you yourself don't have enough knowledge to decide
How grand can one's knowledge of al Islam be, if he is willing to bring into debate the glories of our beloved shaba. The companions of our master and the reason for creation.
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*Originally posted by angelo_dundee: *
How grand can one's knowledge of al Islam be, if he is willing to bring into debate the glories of our beloved shaba. The companions of our master and the reason for creation.
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buddy that was quick response..are u doing choki daari here? well i am glad you show alot of love and respect for Prophet Mohummad (pbuh)..but u should be smart enough to realize that companions were just human like us..dont think they could be perfect..shaitaan nay bhi Khuda k bohut sajde kiye thay
People like this hindian tomsawyer characters are the ones laughing at us bickering upon senseless things such as this topic. Hes trying to defend his hindu caste system (which is totally absurd and dignifies higher castes) using the Shia/Sunni differences, which are in reality very minor and have no distinction on ones race/color/caste. The difference between Shias and Sunnis are way to small to have kept us divided, its about time we united and coexisted peacefully.
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*Originally posted by angelo_dundee: *
I'm not a scholar of Koran, but that verse is obviusly giving characteristics of munafiqoon-its not naming the shaba as munafiqs!
Even if you think such things about them-you are out of the deen.
Where in that verse is it addressing them?
This is the problem when ppl with no knowledge try and analyze Al Koran and comment on the most pious of creation. The use of Aql is for the ppl of Aql. Thats not me and you. But I dont try and draw conclusions from Koran-as I havent had the training.
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"When they meet those who believe, they say: We Believe;' butWe are really
when they are alone with their evil ones, they say:
with you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."
the people who believe... now tell me who are the people who believe... and whats the definition of sahabas.... ????
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*Originally posted by angelo_dundee: *
Even if you think such things about them-you are out of the deen.
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and where did that come from.... which sunnah of Prophet is this... If thinking about sahabas makes you out deen.... suprisingly how come they are not mentioned in kalma.... hey u think about them and you are kafir... then why not have faith in them to me a muslim.... which version of so called islam are you preaching Mr.
Greatness of religion of Islam is that all muslims are equal.. and all have to strive .. no one is given some special previlege.. not even family members of prophets have any superiority over any other.. slaves got same rutba as any other after accepting Islam.. sadly, we are still caught in things like Sayyeds, Pirs and other superiority complexes.. Its persons taqwa alone that can help the person to excel in front of God..
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*Originally posted by Degas: *
.. not even family members of prophets have any superiority over any other..
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go and read the ayat 33:33 of quran
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*Originally posted by Houston_kah_Don: *
go and read the ayat 33:33 of quran
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Family in Islam means ones wife I guess and then children..
In other words ur saying all those who claim to be descendents of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) like sayyids are superior than any other muslims?
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*Originally posted by Houston_kah_Don: *
then why does quran qoutes this ayat:
"When they meet those who believe, they say: We Believe;' butWe are really
when they are alone with their evil ones, they say:
with you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."
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So how can u label any sahaba munafiq with ur great insight.. only Allah knows what is in ones heart.. or next to God Prophet of Allah (PBUH)
degas and spock..it was not a shia who opened this thread
and degas..please read sahi muslim and you will know who is included in the family..thanks bro
how many of you really call somebody sitting next to you in bus.train
and plane or train your children to call their classmates as kafirs?