quote Salman
(Except for Jinnah of course, he drank alcohol and married a kaffir,
which world ur from ur allowed to marry a hindu woman (or wotever ) if she accepts Islam and what prof have u got he drank alchoal. By God if he was even the biggest alchoalic in the world, he created Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and i am in his debt for that and will always praise him 4 tht, but first have u got any proof.
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*Originally posted by Salman: *
continued....
Next time you hear a Wahabi dog barking, accusing Shias or Sunnis of Tehreef e Quran, do mention Mullah Kashmiri's Fatwa to enlighten him.
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I was aware of the deobandi extremism but not in those details. Thnx for sharing.
Also, Could you post Mullah Kashmiri's fatwa - please.
gosh not another shia/sunni thread..... why do we humans need to go in so much depth to wrong the other? get on with ur lives and let Allah Mian be the judge of whose a kaafir and whose not...
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
gosh not another shia/sunni thread..... why do we humans need to go in so much depth to wrong the other? get on with ur lives and let Allah Mian be the judge of whose a kaafir and whose not...
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how then do you think those "mullahs" and "imams" will live/earn their living?
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*....let Allah Mian be the judge of whose a kaafir and whose not...
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The few words of sense in this thread, i think.
Here is another comment: "A Muslim is one who's tongue and hand another Muslim is safe from"
I'd actually tell everyone the reference but, that doesn't matter most on this thread seem to be determined to label people kafir.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
how then do you think those "mullahs" and "imams" will live/earn their living?
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pehli baat uncle mullahs don't get paid secondly it is u ppl who are too westernized that creat these shia/suni problems
westernised people create sunni shia hatred? pull the other one please...
ive been living in OZ for 17 years now in a mixed community of shias sunnis ahmedi's etc etc.. we pray in the same masjid side by side.. eat from the same plate... greet each other in proper islamic manners.... so how do we westerners create such problems??
last i heard... it was in pakistan where hundreds of sunnis were killed or vice versa... i dont see that happening here...
people stop trying to find faults in others... and finding someone or something to blame... try to spend more time reading up the good bits bout each other.. and accepting each others views... accepting doesnt mean u have to follow it... ur just acknowledging it and moving on... is that so hard?
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*Originally posted by PakCanada: *
pehli baat uncle mullahs don't get paid secondly it is u ppl who are too westernized that creat these shia/suni problems
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and oh yeah... i forgot to mention.... mullahs prob dont get paid in money terms.. but dont they imply people come and give them 'donations' as in clothes.. food.. etc etc?
Shia vs sunni end this nonsense once and for all
Brothers and Sisters i don’t care if you sunni or shia this thing it is stupid and pointless just causing fights and killings between muslims.
You are better off spending your energies in the right direction and in the face of the real enemies of islam which is Government of America and Britain! 
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
last i heard... it was in pakistan where hundreds of sunnis were killed or vice versa... i dont see that happening here...
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hundres of sunnis? that must be a typo
anyways i dont have problems with sunnis or anyone else..the problem is that most ppl are illetrate in pakistan..and these wahabi lunatics brainwash them and make them kill the innocent civilians
^ not even that....
spend ur time being nice and happy..... stop trying to create false illusions just to make urself feel better... cus its not doing much but making u sour inside
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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
hundres of sunnis? that must be a typo
anyways i dont have problems with sunnis or anyone else..the problem is that most ppl are illetrate in pakistan..and these wahabi lunatics brainwash them and make them kill the innocent civilians
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hmmm nahin not a typo.. unless ive been misinformed... or maybe read wrong...
isnt it true that about 4-5 years back there were huge shia/sunni killings in karachi? i might be wrong.... sorry (honestly)
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hmmm nahin not a typo.. unless ive been misinformed... or maybe read wrong...
isnt it true that about 4-5 years back there were huge shia/sunni killings in karachi? i might be wrong.... sorry (honestly)
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i dont know where you are getting ur info...atleast check www.dawn.com everday and you will see most if not all of the ppl that get killed are shias...hundreds of shia docs have been killed..just last month over 50 shias got killed in a mosque..i really dont know what you have been reading
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i dont know where you are getting ur info...atleast check www.dawn.com everday and you will see most if not all of the ppl that get killed are shias...hundreds of shia docs have been killed..just last month over 50 shias got killed in a mosque..i really dont know what you have been reading
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im seriously not trying to say more sunnis have been killed... im just trying to recall wat i read a few yaers back... not about the recent killings..
quite sorry if the info i just blurted out is wrong.... a few years back there used to be a section in The Age everyday reporting on how many sunnis were killed or how many shias were slaughtered in fights between the sects..
i know these days its more shias being killed..... very sad :(
:k: Good one. :k: A very timely reminder indeed for all of us.
the thread slipped off path...
im however still unsure about the shias being proper muslims. not that im a perfect one in being a sunni. and i know shias to be very nice ppl. but the practices of shias dotn seem to comply with the tecahings of the Holy Prophet PBUH. why do they curse the sahabis AS and why did they change the kalima? why do they regard Hazrat Ali equal or better than the Prophet PBUH? and the cry,"Ya Ali Madad" was coined probabl;y by shias. isnt that shirk? aking a servant of Allah to help and not asking Allah?
and regarding other sects except the 4-5 major ones, everything they seem to believe in or make ppl believe in seems to be blasphemous...the stuff ppl posted on pg1 of this thread...not worth reading!
shias do follow the teaching of Prophet Mohummad (pbuh)…Prophet had many sahabas…do you really think they were all pious people? that does not make sense to me..we believe some were munafiq too and have reasons to believe that..anyway how can you say shias changed the kalima? it was Prophet who said muslim should follow Imam Ali :as: after me in ghadeer khum and thats what we have been doing since..and for the last time we dont ask Imam Ali :as: for help..He is only a waseela..only Allah can help..now many sunnis know that umar even made Prophets uncle a waseela..and asked his uncle to pray for rain..now the difference between your thinking and our thinking is that we don’t believe Imam Ali :as: to be laying in his grave
sheraz ive heard that the shia kalima has an additional 'Ali WaliUllah'...?
and i didnt understand the part where you said that the prophet PBUH said that muslims should follow Imam Ali after ghadeer kum...whats that? i alos didnt get what you meant by saying that you think Hazrat Ali isnt laying in his grave. please explain.
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*Originally posted by Salman: *
if you had any knowledge of Indo Pakistan history you would know that Jinnah, Liaquat Ali Khan, and several others in the Pakistan freedom movement were devout shias. (Except for Jinnah of course, he drank alcohol and married a kaffir, and was extremely secular)
And btw if we are on the current topic...let's look at the beliefs of wahabi/sunni muslims:
"It is satisfying to say "Laa'Illaaha il-lal Laahu Ashraf Ali Rasool-ul-Laah" and "Al-Laahumma Salli 'Ala Saiyyidina Nabiyina Ashraf Ali" and there is no harm in saying so."
Deobandi Reference:
Risaalah Al lmaad, page 35) for the month of S. afar 1336 A.H.; and proceedings of a Munuazirah (religious debate) in Gaya, Al Furqaan, volume 3, page 85.
Deobandis believe that Ashraf Ali Thanvi was a prophet after Islam's Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hp). Some members of the cult refrain from openly calling Thanvi a prophet but believe that he holds a stature equal to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hp)
The Deobandi belief regarding Thanavi's prophethood and their attempts to hide their belief becomes more clear after reading the following:
"To the common people, the expression "Khaatim-un-Nabiy-yeen" means the "last Prophet". To the knowing people this is not a correct view. Even if a Prophet was to be born after the holy Prophet (saww) it would still have no effect on the concept of the finality of Muhammad (saww)"
Deobandi Reference:
Tahzeerun-Naas, Pages 3 and 25
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assalam olaikum to all muslims............
i dont know why this debate is again started..........
anyhow.......as far as the junk quoted above is concerned.......i would like to calrify deobandi position.............
what is quoted is a dream of some one in which he saw saying this kalima...........he narrated the kalima to moulna aashraf ali.....and moulana said that it means that i am on nabis path............
well the refrence of tahzerr un nas (which is written by moulana qasim ali)who died when moulana ashraf ali was very young..........
havent read what else this fellow wrote.....but this proves his ignorance about real islam...........
shias have never answered what i have qouted about thier books ............and yet they try to fabricate our books to prove thier fabricated aqaedhds.......................................
now the original discussion.........no most ulemas do not considers as kaffirs......but they are worst type of fajirs...............