Re: Are Shia muslims safer in Pakistan or in india?
I didnt say that they are educated in madrassas and hence became intellectually disadvantages. What I am saying is that leave religious books aside and start scientific learning.
OH PLEASE.
One of the hottest topics being discussed in the 'rational' & 'intellectual' Indian Supreme Court & Parliament right now is weather a natural causeway connecting Sri Lanka and India was built by an army of monkeys under Rama's command, and you have the audacity to accuse the Muslim population of being unscientific?!?!?
But such disadvantage exist in lot of communities in India but they do something about it, rather than waite for a positive discrimination from Govt. Many communities took it upon themselves to change their future.
Again, what are you talking about?
Have you heard of the scheduled caste system? Basically, all the backwards elements of Hindu society are ensured adequate representation in government, and educational institutions through a quota system...something Muslims have been denied on a federal level. So Muslims should 'look inwards' and pull themselves up by their bootstraps (all while being considered terrorists and ISI agents by the common public), but Chamars and Untouchables should get government handouts. Brilliant.
You can see it in England where data is available for how much successfull indian children are compared to Pakistanies. Do u want numbers for that. It is some cultural and religius thing in muslims otherwise how do u explain the numbers.
Its simple socioeconomics actually.
British Pakistanis come from poorer backgrounds...most of them came from Azad Kashmir to do unskilled labor in the UK. And Indian Muslims also do well in the UK, so its not an issue of the inherent stupidity and ignorance of Muslims as you seem to believe.
In Kerala for most part of history muslims always enjoyed a great degree of political success. IUML is a part of coalition of congress party and always the education minister is a muslim. So why still they are under represented.
So one or two token ministers should be able to reform the entire system?
The quote above is a good example of "victimization speach". All world is conspiring against the muslims and hence they are under represented. Hindus and christians also have frictions and many have prejudice against each other, but why still they are more succesfull. Hindus could also blame christians (as some people do) that they are agents of the west and spys of US.
So again, if there is indeed no discrimination, and its all just us Muslims being dirty and uneducated and breeding like rabbits as you Indians like to think...why is common for even wealthy Muslims to be forbidden from purchasing housing in affluent areas?
in terms of the bolded part, the same can be said for India too.
Yes, it can.
You were asking why Pakistan doesn't have 90-99% literacy yet. So tell me, if its all so hunky dory in India, why arent they approaching 100% literacy yet? Why does 87% of their population live on less than 50 cents per day?
It's only been 60 years since India got it's independence so if you look at the issue of civil rights in a country like America, 60 years after it got independence, it wasn't that great either with that whole slavery thing for so many years and just up until 40 years ago blacks, gays and other minorities were very openly discriminated against and many had experienced racially motivated killings.
You can't compare the race/religious relations situation of America as it is now with a country like India because 200+ years of educational progress and development isn't and can't be the same as 60 years of development.
I'm not comparing the US to either country. If I remember correctly, I've been talking very specifically about the situation of Muslims in Pakistan vs. the situation of Muslims in India.
And I am aware it takes a while to develop proper democratic institutions. Neither India nor Pakistan is fully there yet. But, again, based on the current situation, where Muslims are pretty much at the bottom of the totem pole in India, things are probably better for them as a community in Pakistan.
I'm not saying in absolute terms that Pakistan is somehow "better" than India. But it is a better place for Muslims. On the same token, if I were a Hindu or a Sikh, I would much rather be in India than in Pakistan...even though one can always trot out the list of the handful of wealthy, successful non-Muslims in Pakistan (sound familiar?), I still think they're better off India.