Its so sad to see people with an american centric view point spout it off as the truth. Firstly what is beautiful is subjective. Ask any black man to check out a a french chick - you will understand this. In the african west coast big is truly beautiful. In Europe women below 50 pounds are beautiful. In the US anything with a nice ass and large chest is beautiful. In Latin America a fiery personality mixed with a nice rack is beautiful.
To the average uneducated american who watch porn for a good tme (read as the above old perverts above) a pretty young thang with a large chest and good legs is beautiful. You of course have to add the concept of gora being beautiful among our wannabe americans. After all, everyone who posted so far uses the american stereotype to define beauty. The world image following from international studies conducted in Japan and Australia have a very different view point on what educated people find attractive.
Now on to the actual subject matter and forgetting that different people find different features attractive. The concept where beauty works is very much an American society issue, based on a commercialized society where everything is considered a commodity. To be bought and sold. No human value whatsoever. In that case beauty does sell.
In the rest of the world it depends on your definition of beauty and the variation where human values are respected.. The Japanese have a very strong cultural affliation to work methodolgy and the results taken regardless what you look like. Europe is less so than that, but still a very quality orientated society and less worried about social hang ups. Plus the US has the highest rate of plastic surgery in the world due to the over arching emphasis placed on looks.
The problem with GS is that the american centric view point is seen as what is good for the rest of the world. The majority of humanity does not value personal looks over knowledge. It is only the american commercialized society which does. Its said to see people buy into it when they are supposedly the educated elite on GS. As Mark Twain said "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." or something to that affect. These guys are a perfect example of how that has not happened.
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Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great. -- Mark Twain
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Yeah PD, I think he found out the system is a bit different here, he may actually have to work occasionally. Maybe he thought his good looks would give him a break.
Sara- don't worry, what Mo3 and the rest talk about is not the norm. That is the occasional pervert in the workplace's POV. You'll do fine.
CM – thanks for sticking to the topic. And Im glad somebody (aside from mamaof3) gave me something relevant to the topic. Being seen as a piece of meat is exactly what I have an issue with. To think some people would use themselves in that manner is rather strange. To say the least.
The rest are too hung up on the burka and hijab and such. Lets get a bit creative folks, the lame jokes are just - lame.
minah-- He does have a brain, Im sure he will be fine using it.
sara – Dont worry about it. I say to hell with looks and hello to the IQ.
Actually Minah, I’ve heard lots of studies and articles about how good looking peopel are always hired over not-so-goodlooking, regardless of their ability. Same goes for being overweight. I personally think being professional and looking good is a must for a job. Exactly what is “looking good” is subjective, but to me, combing your hair, clean, ironed well-fitted (NOT tight or short or skanky, just whatever works for your body) clothes, smelling nice and maybe a lil bit of makeup wouldn’t hurt… I just got several applications for Express, Levis and the school gym… :halo:
MQ, you never told me what “professional-looking” salwar-kameez was.. I’m waiting for those pix And my definition looking good certainly applies to hijab
Tnw -- IQ and useless? Never. Sisters? Yeah triplets.
Sara -- Sorry I have been busy here and there. And trust me everyone is intelligent, varying levels and depends how much of it they use. You will be fine. Trust me. Now let me hunt for some pics.
Madhanee-- Do comment on the topic not the posters. Ty. :p
MQ, that’s certainly not the case in the US. Here we have laws (Chapter 7) that make discrimination on basis of any number of things illegal (including looks). I see more ugly ass 70 year old stewardess in American airlines, that no other airlines (specially Japanese) would consider hiring them. Looks don’t take any one farther than one’s brain. Certainly not in the USA. There are lots of handsome Pakistanis driving cabs, and lots and lots of ugly Pakistani physicians heading up departments in major hospitals.
I think you are talking about Canadia? It wont surprise me.
I saw a jalaban today that I wanted to hire, she was cute, had bent teeth but cute. I would hire any good looking woman that will keep me away from GS.
Madhanee- Not really. I think we could say I was talking of North America. I know there are laws protecting people against such discriminations - but who is to say these laws are not constantly broken or over looked? I mean to be quite honest, Im sure you would agree and say that circumstances exist where a person is hired because of looks, not ability to do the work well. I mean I agree with what you said, that those people were hired because they were capable of doing the work. However, Im talking of people who are turned away because they dont meet up to the standards in the looks department.
Verizon -- Come on Ive given you plenty of chances to drop the hijaban jokes and stick to the topic. You arent a child, get a hint.
Burka Queen. I agree with you. But that doesn’t mean that that practice is widespread. There are instances here and there, that’s why they make laws, so people adhere to what is appropriate. I was reading in today’s times that big stores in 3 states (FL, TX, and CA I think) are hiring models who reflect the common american (as CM will call big fat ass american). That’s the new trend.
Sara - Our director of Communications is a large Jewish woman, our new Office Manager is an openly gay woman with a Hindu woman as a life partner that visits once a week, our new Director of External Affairs is a rather plain looking bald potbellied tall Italian man, our Assoc director of Communications is a man no taller than 4' and the Director of Development is slightly taller. Our Football coach is about 5'2.
If someone is good at what they do, they don't have to either demean themselves nor focus on how good they look. Clean, neat, and presentable are all you need plus an easy demeanor. For myself, no matter how goodlooking, if I have to follow someone around in order to remind them to work, they're fired, double if I have to constantly correct work.
Sara - believe me, you'll be fine, you have a good head on your shoulders and you're a good looking girl. Double win....
There was a study put out not to long ago that showed parents paid more attention to the more attractive child, it burns me bridges human nature could be so cruel.
I still don't understand what's wrong with looking at someone as piece of meat? I mean, people don't really look at you how you want them to look at. They look at you how they like to look at you. And in the realm of human (or in Madhanee's case human-like) bodily existence we're all pieces of meat.
As a matter of fact 'brains' is very vague and abstract concept. At least body is something that's 'tangible'. I think managers these day fear that if they hire someone not too sharp and ugly then they lose on both fronts. But if they someone hot and not too sharp then at least they've got something going on. No? And thing is, you can't measure brain-ness but you can hot-ness. Makes perfect sense to me.
Sheesh. I was watching something on the news about this. Forgot where they mentioned it but it might be true. How awful for the poor kiddies.
Roman – Phir sai agaye tum. Look just as the issue of who good looks is subjective, then Im assuming the same applies for intelligence. And what on earth do you mean that looks are more ‘tangible’? That is about as ridiculous as it sounds. By brains I mean intelligence, I mean the ability to do the work that is expected in the career.
Its not about looking at somebody as a piece of meat - well not in this thread. Its about hiring or not hiring due to looks. Of course people look at you how they wish to at times - but its about what actions they take because of looks (ie not hiring you) - not the ideas they have about your looks alone. And depending on the situation and the people - yeah just about anything can be measured.
And my definition looking good certainly applies to hijab 
