If yes then who is the oppressor
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
I think muslims are oppressed by their own doings and the circumstances surrounding them. Whether it's the slavery of another nation, money, debt, or materialism. It's something muslims have brought upon themselves. They can be freed, they just choose not to. They've adopted the 'go with the flow' mentality, for most part.
IMHO.
Note: I speak for myself and how i see thing from my perspective. I don't represent everyone, so i may be wrong. i hope i am :)
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
Socio-economically? No. It's as teggy said.
Geopolitically, yes. It is simply the way of the world...you are either in a position of power and demanding pliancy of those not at your level..or in some state of war, along with your current allies, with another more or less equally powered block.
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
Women: Fraulein, Frau, Madchen, Girl, Dame, Zenska, Baba, Mama , etc
They have always been the subordinate. Religion dominates their lives but does not give them freedom or equality with men.
The lives of women are changing slowly, albeit too slowly. The impetus for change is here , its present and it will not stop. There is a struggle and a struggle for women in Islamic countries , for women dominated by muslim men in households and women will see their victory for liberation and equlity. In the modern world and with globalization women are participating and raising awareness against laws that go against them.
With technology women are educating other women in helping to empower them. I can reach them in Pakistan, in Iran and dare I say it Saudi Arabia. Where technology does not exist there is momentum through education and sharing and showing. The movement is tiny and still very slow but it only takes one tiny acorn to grow a strong expansive oak tree and so it shall be with women developing skills and knowledge toward self -determination. As the woman of the west formed and joined the suffragette movement to obtain voting rights which evenutally lead to a ground swell of enlightenment -----these remarkable women fought for equality and self-determination . They fought through word of mouth, through supporting each other and through boisterous protest and challenges against mysoginistic goverance and religious myopia.
*Expanding Education to women is the key to empowerment. *
In many areas of the world women have been enslaved in disporportionate ways.
The orignal principles of equality for women as prescribed in early days of Islam have been changed/modified to suit politcal and chauvinistic agendas by laws made between the 10 and 12 centuries which is very much part of muslim countries today and it puts women at a major disadvantage in marriage and divorce.
Quran outlines liberated and equitable position of the woman , but today there is a need , a desperate need for the reevaluation of practices which are done in the name of Islam since actually there is a major contradiction to the basic message of the Quran.
It takes courage , conviction and bravery to question and oppose entrenched postions based on archaic laws, week Hadith and cultural trends which suppress and oppress women in Islamic countries.
It is worth the risk for muslim women to achieve liberation through Islam as originally intended
How are women oppressed?
1) Muslim laws regarding marriage and divorce is based on a hierarchy with the rights of the husband superseding those of wife and wives from having control over their own lives.
2) Violence against women : domestic and honor killings done in the home, community, and as result of war whom some claim is allowed by Islam but it is not.
3) Islamic practices of polygamy and temporary marriages affect women negatively
4) Mosques excluding women from religious activities such as attendance which is*** a Muslim woman's right***!!!!!!!!!
5) Promoting women as simply child bearers.
6) Failure to take advantage of rights of property ownership and inheritance
7) Focusing on woman as the moral barometer subjecting them to harassment, intimidation and discrimination
Many prominent , well known and not so well known women have abandoned islam because they felt it was the only way to be liberated intellectually, socially , politically and exonomically from families, men and goverment who have used Islam to deny them these fundamental human rights.
There is a growing movement, spreading slowly but a gain all the same by Islamist women demanding rights guaranteed by Islam to be applied.
Women are becoming educated and enlightened providing views and information to other women where up to know majority been addressed and inteerpreted by men. And this will only increase through technology and globalization. This is a muslim woman's fundamental right for active participation and re-addressing the wrongs done to them by the male's interpretation.
Effecting change within islamic communities is difficult, there are those who chastise it as undermining Islam. Men have been undermining islam but muslim women will grow in educated numbers and will mine Islam
Women will work in cooperation with men on many levels to contribute to the betterment of society. Its a difficult struggle against chauvinistic , misogynistic religious zeal but persistence , fortitude and women's alliance will unearth what men wish to keep buried and that is the rights of women: liberation , equality over oppression and subjugation of one sex over the other.
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^Okay ![]()
Your posts are biased to one-gender (AS ALWAYS). How about talking on the subject of ‘muslims’ as a whole for once. Jeez
You tend to present yourself as the spokeswoman for the entire womanhood in Islam. It’s getting really ridiculous.
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Teggy , you are being humorous. Great going.
Since I am woman hear me roar in numbers to big to ignore. I am taking on the subject of muslims as a whole, I did mention the male side of the issue also.
Who is suppressing them as a whole. I think its a fair question and the answer is : from within. Internal struggle blinds one looking outward and from seeing how their own effect affects them in a global perspective. The inside has to be restored for the female and male yin and yang firstly in order to prosper with the outside and be competitive in a technological, socio-political and global market economy. ------- an allegoy if you will but perhaps a pragmatic paradox for some?
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If yes then who is the oppressor
^ Feminists.
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^^
I thought it was the USA
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
if you have to generalise as all muslims, no they are not at all oppressed. While there are more non-muslims that are oppressed around the globe, since the question is specific about muslims, I can see several categories depending upon who is talking:
- a typical American will think muslim women are oppressed regardless of location - religious reasons
- I know many Pakistanis mistakenly think Indian muslims are oppressed - Gujarath
- Indians think muslims are oppressed in Pakistan - reason political events
the truth is these are just points of view, the actual community itself doesn't think they are oppressed!
Frankly, and this may anger some, I think many muslims and politicians just play the 'opppressed' victim card for political gains
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
if you have to generalise as all muslims, no they are not at all oppressed. While there are more non-muslims that are oppressed around the globe, since the question is specific about muslims, I can see several categories depending upon who is talking:
- a typical American will think muslim women are oppressed regardless of location - religious reasons
- I know many Pakistanis mistakenly think Indian muslims are oppressed - Gujarath
- Indians think muslims are oppressed in Pakistan - reason political events
the truth is these are just points of view, the actual community itself doesn't think they are oppressed!
Frankly, and this may anger some, I think many muslims and politicians just play the 'opppressed' victim card for political gains
Politicians: Yes!
Muslims: No! because muslims themselves sometimes feel oppressed by the leaders they choose who instead of having a spine and standing for principles, choose to crawl in front of other world powers, even while they're wrong. That is very much obvious and apparent in the current times. Saudi Arabia chooses not to press it's long time Ally U.S. on the Isreal policy towards Palestine. And remember it is Saudi Arabia that has the oil, yet Saudi Government is very willing to change their policies upon the request of US administration.
So the oppression is not necessarily always directly from the outside, but from within as well.
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
I don't feel oppressed. I have the freedom to practice my religion. It's a feeling within us...do I crave to be like someone else or "fit in" or am I tough enough to be what I am as a muslim? If I am questioned, do I blame my miseries on others or am I courageous enough to take responsibility for my actions?
Like Teggy and some others mentioned, I think for the most part, the feeling of oppression comes with lack of education and responsibilty.
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Amen.
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
Muslims are being oppressed by their own zealots, the religious mafia. The same mafia then turns around and blames the West for every thing.
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^ yup. Problem is each member of the religious mafia thinks they are not mafiosi and it is the other guy!
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yes and we should be :)
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^ I agree.
Biggest things is to have:
Freedom! to be free or to be opressed.
Freedom! to practice religion or not.
Freedom! to move forward or stop and enjoy the roses.
Freedom! to express yourself or to stay private
Freedom! Period!
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
If yes then who is the oppressor
Muslims
Do not opress and do not be opressed.
Prophet Mohammed.
Re: Are Muslims oppressed ?
no Muslims are opressed just like all other races are too. each to their own. each having inner weakness as well as out of group ploying agents ready to pick at the mass like vultures.
bigotry and deceit, scarcity of recources, historic animosities, plunder and loot within the states, social injustices of all kinds and horrors, world political monopolies, cultural, religious and global conflicts, wrong geo-political policies, unjust traditions, economic disparaity and ineducation altogether have made people opressed.
everyone has to take on their own burden and collectively prevent unfairness at all levels, and only then the current state of affair will change, establishing strong and healthy foundations for generations to come.
best,
Dushwari