there is a great deal of misconception and delibrate missinformation about muhajirs in india
the words muhajir in not a derogatory word as it is projected in india it means migrant (and actually it was the muslims who migrated with propet muhamab pbuh who were called muhajirs
and besides the muslims of india today have again managed to get some education and have risen above but its a fact that the muslim intellegensia and the muslim business class left for pakistan in 1947
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THere are many more times Muslims in Andhra Pradesh erst while a.k.a. Hyderabad than in Karachi or Pakistan 
So how come they were not killed according to your prediction:confused:
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Rajput,,,Since migrants came from many parts of India, they are all lumpsummed into one category, instead of classifying them by UP, Hydarabad, Lukhnow, etc, they are all referred to as Mohajirs. A person with Hydarabad ancestry would probably not like being called a Sindhi, don’t you think? Even if I move to Tokyo, I will always be a Punjabi. You shouldn’t use America as an example, because everyone here is an immigrant.
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Fair enough. Why not call them Urdu speakers? I mean they all value Urdu and as you know there were migrants not only from the areas you described but also East Punjab, who speak Punjabi. I think urdu speakers would be classified as a better term indicating their community. I mean besides urdu what does a UP Urdu Speaker have in common with a Hyderabadi urdu speaker (lets not bring in religion)?
Muhajir to me is a a very isolationist term where a community considers itself a migrant even after 50+ years.
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Muhajir to me is a a very isolationist term where a community considers itself a migrant even after 50+ years.
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It's better then some other terms that our fellow countrymen have made for us. Not every mohajir's mother tongue is Urdu, though for most it is.
NYA: I am particularly referring to the Urdu speaking migrants, who live in place such as Multan, Bahawalpur and Rahim Yar Khan. We call them Rohdki/Rohtki in Siraikee, and my understanding has alwayd been that they moved from some place called Rohtak. I could be wrong about the place of their origin, since I never bothered to find out, nevertheless they are classified as muhajirs.
RF: There has always been a bitter rivalry and deep division between the siraikees and the mohajirs, on various levels- the power struggle to control the city’s administration. Coming from a family, where a lot of members are involved politically, I did carry certain level of prejudice feelings against the local muhajirs, since the fight- to some extent -has always been to keep the siraikee dominance in par with the population. But, now I look back and it seems all-worthless, because the politicians in the hierarchy turned out to be even bigger thieves and crooks, who never worth an iota of support. I am not sure how things will change, with the younger generation taking charge. I hope it translates into progress for all.
Outlaw, are you sure it was not Rampur?
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Fair enough. Why not call them Urdu speakers? I mean they all value Urdu and as you know there were migrants not only from the areas you described but also East Punjab, who speak Punjabi. I think urdu speakers would be classified as a better term indicating their community. I mean besides urdu what does a UP Urdu Speaker have in common with a Hyderabadi urdu speaker (lets not bring in religion)?
Muhajir to me is a a very isolationist term where a community considers itself a migrant even after 50+ years.
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what was the name used for urudu speaking muslim in bangaldesh
beofore partition? sometimes these label gets complicated.
also there is no equivalnet of word mujahirs in india who came
from pakistan. adavni is hindu muhajir?
about urudu speakers
Although Urdu is the official national language, it is spoken as a native tongue by only 8 percent of the population. People who speak Urdu as their native language generally identify themselves as muhajirs. A large number of people from educated backgrounds (and those who aspire to upward mobility) speak Urdu, as opposed to their natal languages, in their homes, usually to help their children master it.
South Asian Muslims have long felt that Urdu symbolizes their shared identity. It has served as a link among educated Muslims and was stressed in the Pakistan independence movement. Christopher Schackle writes that “Urdu was the main literary vehicle of the Muslim elite of India.” At independence, the Muslim League (as the All-India Muslim League was usually referred to) promoted Urdu as the national language to help the new Pakistani state develop an identity, even though few people actually spoke it.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+pk0051)
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Yes, they own a lot of business in Hussain-Agahi and interior part of the town. And they are often known as Ranghars( a funny term- don't know much about its origin). Sheikh Tariq Rasheed's father ran for the government also back in 88, I think he lost; but won the election in 90'. Their family has been around for a number of years, although I am not sure who the elected representatives are at the moment, or what's the ratio between the locals and muhajirs from Multan in terms of representation in the parliament. But, muhajirs always managed to win party support either from PPP or Muslim League, in each of the election.
Imdad yaara, I am not completely sure. Maybe, you can shed some light on it.
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Wait until the BJP gains more and more support, then come back to my prediction. Gujrat today - what’s coming tomorrow?
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It's better then some other terms that our fellow countrymen have made for us. Not every mohajir's mother tongue is Urdu, though for most it is.
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I am not talking about derogatory terms here. Muhajir is a misomer, an outdated term. Urdu ties in the FORMER migrant community, even if they come from a non-Urdu speaking state of india li,ke Andhra Pardesh, or Gujerat, they still place urdu at a higher level.
What is wrong with Urdu speakers? After all the language is the only thing that unites the community.
RF: There has always been a bitter rivalry and deep division between the siraikees and the mohajirs, on various levels- the power struggle to control the city’s administration. Coming from a family, where a lot of members are involved politically, I did carry certain level of prejudice feelings against the local muhajirs, since the fight- to some extent -has always been to keep the siraikee dominance in par with the population. But, now I look back and it seems all-worthless, because the politicians in the hierarchy turned out to be even bigger thieves and crooks, who never worth an iota of support. I am not sure how things will change, with the younger generation taking charge. I hope it translates into progress for all.
I see. Do you have any idea how many urdu speakers are in the Multan area? I am not familiar with the area. I agree fully with what you have to say regarding politicians.
Rajput Yaar, I think I m getting what you are saying. To me, Muhajir is a beautiful term, and it is not an ‘isolationist’ term. Even our Prophet (PBUH) referred to himself as Mohajir when he left Mecca. If people use it in a demeaning manner, then it is ‘their’ problem, and not the problem of ‘Mohajirs’. You see, I am often called ‘Mirzai, etc., and honest to God, I never take offense to it, that’s what I am, and to me it is not an insult, but a compliment.
Ahmadiji, I am not arguing whether "Muhajir" is a beautiful term or not-- rather it is outdated and lost it's usefulness after migration from India ceased. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was a muhajir when he arrived in Medina, but after living there was he still a Muhajir? I think the answer is obvious. It is inaccurate to call yourself a migrant after you were born in Pakistan and your ancestors came from India something like half a century ago. It is isolationist because the Muhajir identity is only forged by a common migration experience, or rather not even that, as the East Punjabis are well integrated into Pakistan and don't refer to themselves as "Muhajir." How muich longer will the urdu speaking community isolate itself by a false term that is no longer relevant?
*I don’t like the term ‘Urdu Speaker’, because I speak better Urdu than Mohajirs (please don’t take offense, and you should know that people with the most contribution to Urdu Literature come from Punjab), because the term ‘Urdu Speaker’ is a very narrow-minded way to define a large and diverse community. In Karachi, for example, there are Gujrati Memons, Bihari, Bengalis, etc., etc. and Mohajir covers pretty much all these groups. If I were a Bihari, I would like to be referred to either as Bihari or Mohajir, but not as an Urdu Speaker. *
You and I may speak Urdu with the purest of Lucknowi accents, but is that our mother tongue? No. I am well aware of Punjab's in particular Lahore, contributions to the Urdu language but that still doesn't change the reality that India's Muslims consider it "their" identity. Urdu speaker is not narrowminded at all because those Gujerati memons, biharis all lay greater importance to Urdu. As for the bengalis they consider themselves just that, Bengalis not Muhajirs or Urdu speakers. I can actually go with the idea of calling a former migrant from Bihar to be called Bihari, atleast thats more reasonable.
I guess you and I don’t see eye to eye on this issue. You Mohajir you!
[In a large obese African-American female voice] OH NO U DIDN'T!
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Give it up waiting for bjp to kill all indian muslims
For one thing is clear your father generation who stayed back have already lived there life to the fullest some have happily died in there family grave yard & Not near Nala of Karachi with no one to dio fatiha 
Leaving James Bond I KNOW WE MUSLIM DO NOT LIVE ONL:Y TWICE ..
So doctor saheb one generation has sucesfully lived 50 years & died once .NO BJP CAN KILL THE DEAD ONCE MORE .Or WHAT DO YOU SAY MAD !!!
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Hmm touchy subject; for people from my side of Attock, we use the term Muhajirs or Mohajirs for the Afghani refugees. When referring to urdu speaking people some say "karachi Muhajirs".
I think the term Mohajirs shows the Urdu speaking community's need for some sense of ethnic or national identity which is distinct from their Pakistani identity. A reaction probably to seeing how the other ethnic groups defend their sense of identity and language.
If I remember right, a similar controversy happened when the MQM was in talks with the PONM( Pakistan oppressed Nations Movement) alliance to join them. The PONM, people refused to accept Mohajirs as the "Nationality", instead calling them a Urban Middle class political "tehrik". That wasn't acceptable to the MQM. But a fundamental shift occurred after the MQM broke with Nawaz Sharif since then, with it's alliances with the JSQM, the MQM wants to project the Urdu speaking community as Urban "Sindhi's", that's probably a good move on their part, because if you can't accept the people who gave up land and opened their homes for you as neighbours, things won't work.