most of the indian muslims migirated to pakistan wanted create a progressive pakistan and rescue pakistan from feudal land lords
do you think they are more progressive in social and religious
affiars than the original inhabitants?
MQM ZINDABAD! 
Re: are mohajirs more progressive?
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most of the indian muslims migirated to pakistan wanted create a progressive pakistan and rescue pakistan from feudal land lords
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I find that quote hard to believe. My family is mohajir and moved to Pakistan a year after partition simply because they felt unsafe under Hindu majority rule - fear that is now now being proven by the rise of the hindu far-right.
Mohajirs moved either our of fear, or out of wanting to live amongst their own kind, rather than as a minority living under threat of beng despised.
mad sceintist i am talking about the progressive role mujahir
want play in building pakistan and the difficulties faced from feudal culture. i am not talking about mqm or other political groups
i am talking about national building talent of mujahirs and the difficulties
faced by them.
mad secintist indian muslims from india have a diffrent background
more educated and progressive . there are free from both indian
and pakistani culture in certain areas that gives them some independat
thinking.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
most of the indian muslims migirated to pakistan wanted create a progressive pakistan and rescue pakistan from feudal land lords
do you think they are more progressive in social and religious
affiars than the original inhabitants?
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Do not go any where just compare Karachi before and after Partition, you will get the answer.
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The city of Karachi, the birthplace of Quaid-i-Azam and his designated capital of Pakistan, was the bastion of power of the working classes of Mohajirs. It was built into a glittering metropolis by the blood and sweat of Mohajirs of which they were very proud and considered it their home and a symbol of Pakistan’s progress and prosperity. This did not suit the vested interests of the first military government which came into power in 1958 under Gen Ayub Khan. He ordered a new capital to be built at a site near Rawalpindi to be comfortably closer to GHQ and his ancestral village Rehana. The capital was subsequently shifted from Karachi to Islamabad in 1960. This was the first blow to the Mohajir community followed by the celebrations of Ayub Khan’s victory in the rigged election against Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah.
Ayub Khan’s son Gohar Ayub Khan came down to Karachi to lead a victory procession in Mohajr areas, where people were terrorised and fired upon as a punishment for their support to Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah in the presidential election against Ayub Khan. This was the beginning of the state persecution of Mohajirs, which led to an awareness in the Urdu-speaking people of the need to organise themselves as a separate community in order to safeguard their legitimate rights of equal treatment as citizens of Pakistan which were being systematically denied through quota system and other such discriminatory measures. They were being deprived of equal opportunities in the vital areas of professional education and jobs. Mohajirs, who had come to Pakistan mostly from urban areas, were working class people belonging to lower middle and middle class cultures. They were all reasonably educated or they were artisans, craftsman and skilled or non-skilled workers. For them education and jobs were absolutely essential for their livelihood; they had no land holdings and ancestral properties to depend upon. It, therefore, become essential for their survival that they got organised as a separate entity to fight wadera- and jagirdar-led governments in Sindh.
Luckily for them a young dynamic leader, Altaf Hussain emerged from Azizabad, a lower middle class locality of Karachi and took the city by storm. Through his inspired leadership and firebrand oratory he provided the bewildered and betrayed Mohajir community a strong political platform, which he named Mohajir Qaumi Movement (now Muttahida Qaumi Movement). Gradually, Mohajirs became a potent political force demolishing the icons of PPP, Muslim League and religious parties well entrenched in Karachi and parts of Sindh. The successive governments of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif took their revenge through widespread and indiscriminate persecution and murder of Mohajir youth in the so called “clean-up” operations and military action in Azizabad and Hyderabad.
rvikz, "progressive" is such a subjective term. Apart from the brief blip of massive support for the MQM (which is rapidly dying out now), the Muhajirs of Pakistan have traditionally voted for religious parties such as the Jamaat-i-Islaam that have promoted the implementation of an Islamic state in Pakistan.
So if by "progressive" you mean willing to support the establishment of an Islamic state, then yes I guess they are.
LOL at the sheer propaganda value of what you have just posted!!!!
The MQM is a terrorist organisation that in the interest of peace has become a political organisation. It's entire claim that muhajirs being discriminated against has just been totally discredited by the fact that a Muhajir is the single most powerful man in Pakistan - the President and Chief of Army Staff, General Pervez Musharraf.
The MQM is a joke that did nothing but rub the name of Mohajirs into the mud and bring us misery. Thankfully, the community gained sense and now have elected the Jamaat-i-Islaam to run Karchi rather than the lackeys of that greatest of clowns, the idiot Altaf Hussain.
mad scientist "progressive" i meant mujahirs jhave different background
as compared to rural feuedalistic nature. even in india muslims are more urbane and free from rural biases.
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even in india muslims are more urbane and free from rural biases.
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rvikz, I am afraid I don't understand where you're going with this. You describe indian muslims as being more urbane (which means, from dictionary.com, "Polite, refined, and often elegant in manner") and free from rural biases.
However, I have never found Indian muslims to be any more polite, refined, and elegant in manner than Pakistanis.
Please can you refine your point?
Good Job Mad Scientist. This illiterate rvikz is bull****ting about mohajirs and Karachi having never ever visited the city. I was gonna join in but I don't think he is worth the effort. :D
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Good Job Mad Scientist. This illiterate rvikz is bull***ting about mohajirs and Karachi having never ever visited the city. I was gonna join in but I don't think he is worth the effort. :D
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i agree i cant tell the difference between punjabi from urudu.
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i agree i cant tell the difference between punjabi from urudu.
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That is usually a sure sign of the "coconut effect".
rvikz: you tend to base your point on mere assumptions. I could have removed the thread, since the statements in your initial post are not accurate by any standards. But, I let it open, in order to allow other members to educate you and try to broaden your horizon, for a change. Next time refrain from posting nuisance in this forum. Consider this a warning.
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rvikz: you tend to base your point on mere assumptions. I could have removed the thread, since the statements in your initial post are not accurate by any standards. But, I let it open, in order to allow other members to educate you and try to broaden your horizon, for a change. Next time refrain from posting nuisance in this forum. Consider this a warning.
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most of the openions are from pakistni newspapers may be lot of it can
be debated.
I still have to see any proof from you, as to why do you think that the original inhabitants are feudal landlords, and backward. At least that the impression I get from your original post. What's there exactly to be debated?
are mohajirs more progressive?
Yes, they are.
Just look at our COAS and President. :)
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I still have to see any proof from you, as to why do you think that the original inhabitants are feudal landlords, and backward. At least that the impression I get from your original post. What's there exactly to be debated?
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i dont mean to offend original inhabitants.
Surely in Pakistan it remains a daunting challenge.
Feudal system existed in Europe . Industry rose on the ashes of feudalism. France revolution ended french feudalism.
same way bacwards states in india you see more feudalism.
I am not sure if anyone is offended by the comments, which does not hold any merit. I warned you precisely about that- not to use any baseless assumptions in order to express your own vendetta. No one is stopping you from posting Indian cultural intricacies, but using this forum for abomination and whipping-up anti Pakistan rhetoric through malign and fallacious comments is definitely not permissible. Therefore, post responsibly or you will be out of chances soon.
BOO!
Don't get caught napping Outlaw :)