Are Hindus as astute, sly, or manipulative?

Well that’s what Pakistani text books teach.

Pak textbooks deride Hindus as astute, sly, or manipulative

Lahore, Apr 25 (ANI): The National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP), a Catholic Church body in Pakistan, has said that the country’s media describe India as a ‘hostile neighbour’, and school textbooks teach the students that Hindus were backward and superstitious who assert their power over the weak, especially the Muslims.

“Government-issued textbooks teach students that Hindus are backward and superstitious, and given a chance, they would assert their power over the weak, especially, Muslims, depriving them of education by pouring molten lead in their ears. Pakistan Studies textbooks are an active site to represent India as a hostile neighbour,” the report stated.

It added: “The story of Pakistan’s past is intentionally written to be distinct from, and often in direct contrast with, interpretations of history found in India. From the government-issued textbooks, students are taught that Hindus are backward and superstitious.”

The report further said that students were being taught that Islam brought peace, equality, and justice to the subcontinent, “to check the sinister ways of Hindus”. “In Pakistani textbooks, Hindus rarely appears in a sentence without adjective such as politically astute, sly, or manipulative,” the Daily Times quoted the NCJP report as saying.

The NCJP has come out with the report following an appeal from several minority communities that the media and educational boards were biased against them and that the federal government should take note of this seriously.

Quoting a news article, the report said: “Textbooks reflect intentional obfuscation. Today’s students, citizens of Pakistan and its future leaders are the victims of these partial truths”.

They cited numerous several other media reports and content in textbooks in this regard, which suggested that the country’s socio-political system was against the minorities’ interests and addressed them by derogatory terms.

The NCJP monitored four major national Urdu dailies from August to October 2005 and found extremely provocative news reports, statements and editorials against religious minorities including Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis and even Jews.

The Commission said that a common hate speech method is the use of derogatory terms for minorities. Citing examples, it said that Ahmedis are called ‘Qadiani’ or ‘Mirzai’ while Christians are called ‘Isai’. Until some years ago, these terms were not even considered derogatory, it added.

According to the paper, MP Bhandara, a parliamentarian belonging to a minority community, wrote a letter of protest to an editor of a national daily last year but it had no effect on the newspaper’s policy.

Re: Are Hindus as astute, sly, or manipulative?

spin it positively and you have the article you very proudly cited:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=211156

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A typical case of some people mired deeply in an inferiority complex, and frustration of losing its so-called "past glory", that it passes on its thoughts to innocent children in History texts.
And who brings this case to the forefront ? A Catholic organization. I wonder where are the Ayaz Amirs and Javed Mirs at this juncture.

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This is factually true. Once I was watching a Pakistani drama along with some friends and one of the characters mentioned something like "cunning Hindus"...How can you remark about a whole community like this!

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It's wrong, should be stopped and we should work for peace and prosperity in South Asia instead of destroying ourselves with hatred but it happens on both sides..

Hindu extremists are painting all Muslims as barbaric and evil and airbrushing their contributions to Indian culture, civilisation and heritage by making absurd claims like buildings built by Muslims such as the Taj Mahal were originally Hindu temples.

Pakistanis need to accept that overall as a nation we share more of a cultural heritage with India than we do with Central Asia (Iranic countries) or West Asia (Arabic countries) and Indians need to realise that South Asian/Desi/Indic culture and civilisation acquired culture and genes from outside which enhanced it and change is a positive thing, and also that religion and culture are separate, whilst we all have our distinct faiths (each to his own) our cultures are the same or very similar and Hindus are no more Desi than a Desi Muslim or Desi Christian, religion is beyond culture and unrelated.

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It's sick of the Paki Drama industry to do that and I'm not justifying it but Indian films are no better, Muslims and Pakis are portrayed in the baddest light possible.

It's so sad media should be building bridges instead of burning them, to Pakistanis Indian movies are a staple diet and plenty of Indians listen to Pakistani pop/rock/classical and watch Pakistani dramas so entertainment can serve to heal the wounds created by politicians but instead they worsen things by throwing mud at the other or being insensitive of the others values.

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It's wrong, should be stopped and we should work for peace and prosperity in South Asia instead of destroying ourselves with hatred but it happens on both sides..
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I'm actually divided on whether I support this. If you indoctrinate young children to hate your enemies, then once they have aged they will continue to hold that hate and some will become paranoid. However, if you don't indoctrinate them with hate, they will become friendly with the enemy, putting their guard down. I would let the practice continue, as that would probably be more healthy.

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Hindu extremists are painting all Muslims as barbaric and evil and airbrushing their contributions to Indian culture, civilisation and heritage by making absurd claims like buildings built by Muslims such as the Taj Mahal were originally Hindu temples.
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The taj mahal has nothing to do with indian culture. Its an arab, persian and turkish building, mainly persian. Even though I hate iranians, I hate to admit it, but they did succesfuly persify turkish tribes that conquered and civilized polytheist india. To say its an indian structure is akin to saying the buildings the europeans left behinds are also indian. Patently untrue. Patently.

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Pakistanis need to accept that overall as a nation we share more of a cultural heritage with India than we do with Central Asia (Iranic countries) or West Asia (Arabic countries) and Indians need to realise that South Asian/Desi/Indic culture and civilisation acquired culture and genes from outside which enhanced it and change is a positive thing, and also that religion and culture are separate, whilst we all have our distinct faiths (each to his own) our cultures are the same or very similar and Hindus are no more Desi than a Desi Muslim or Desi Christian, religion is beyond culture and unrelated.
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Pakistanis have nothing to do with indian culture beyond practicing caste system or some syncretic hodgepodge of hinduism and islam called sufism. Beyond that, pakistan is a central asian country in culture and ethnicity and as time passes is becoming closer and closer to central asia. Pakistan has nothing to do with india and never has historically.

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I dont know how much truth is there in it. But right now, paksitan has nothing to do with india and never was historically. If historically it was, then better to discard that part of history.

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Do you mind me asking what your age is? I find that its usually the younger generation of indians that try to distance themselves from pakistan, while the older ones are dreaming of akhand bharat. Ironically, its the older generation in pakistan that are trying to distance themselves from india, while sadly the younger generation is going in the opposite direction.

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i am 24 years old.

Besides, some freedom fighters might still be attached to pakistan also. But i have never come across any of them. My closest relatives, my parents whether it is younger or older.....nobody even talks or even mentions about these kind of stuff. Everybody is in busy in thier own world.

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As you sow, so you reap, Abdu pai.

“All Pakistanis are ba$tards”](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4067794&postcount=1) - Dutch Professor indoctrinating fresh students, to be on the safe, healthy side, no doubt.

:smiley:

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I don't know... queer is kind of sly. And maybe he tries to manipulate me while I sleep :(

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besides, which younger generation of pakistan is inclining towards india?...i dont think any pakistani is inclined towards india. I think it is 'comman sense'....i have not spoken to any pakistani though and no one is asking anyone to incline.

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Don't give us that crap man, I've met enough Hindus who after sugarcoating it have expressed their desire to annex Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan (let me tell you fat chance because the Afghans might think of India as a good ally against Pak but they hate Hindus worse than cancer).

As a Paki I don't want the two countries to become one but I'd like to see good friendly relations between the two countries and peace back home in South Asia, having grown up in the west I feel close to Indians (FOBS, ABC's know nothing of their culture for me to relate) when I meet them amongst a sea of goray but when I see hatred being expressed by Indians/Hindus on here it makes me sick/sad and I feel better to return it.

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Don't give us that crap man, I've met enough Hindus who after sugarcoating it have expressed their desire to annex Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan (let me tell you fat chance because the Afghans might think of India as a good ally against Pak but they hate Hindus worse than cancer).
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i didn't tell any crap. I said i have not come across, means i have not. Regarding those hindus who want to annex pakistan, BD and even afghanistan, let them talk about such crap. But i have not come across any such people.

besides....if afghans consider someone as 'cancer' or even worse than that, then they dont know what kind of wrethched diesease cancer is?....besides who cares about it. Let them think whatever they want. I am not asking afghans to like us.

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As a Paki I don't want the two countries to become one
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i know this very well...i even mentioned in the above post.

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I'd like to see good friendly relations between the two countries and peace back home in South Asia, having grown up in the west I feel close to Indians (FOBS, ABC's know nothing of their culture for me to relate)
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same opinion from me also. and it's good to note that you want friendly relations. i too want just good friendly relations. If you remove the word 'friendly', then also ok....'chalega'.

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I see hatred being expressed by Indians/Hindus on here it makes me sick/sad and I feel better to return it.
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the very same thing can be said about your friends and you also. Thats the main reason, why i came to this website.

Whatever, i said above is true. regarding those indians/hindus who you mentioned, tell them they are not in tune with reality and stop dreaming. Again, i have not come across any such indian. But such people might be there as you said.

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Pakististanis, and Muslims in general, have an us versus them mentality. In light of this, it is no wonder Pakistanis have such attitudes. This is not surprising at all.
The islamic world is fast moving away from modernity and coecxistence with cultural diversity. Pakistanis still dream of past glories and supposed mughal utopia. Qazi Hussain once remarked that jihad will not stop until the gren flag flies over Red Fort. What one Hindu said in ligh of what elected Pakistani leaders say is unimportant.
Sixty years of seperation have made India and Pakistan worlds apart. India and Pakistan share nothing in common, barring some customs practiced near the border region. And as some do, if you consider Mumbai to be South/Central India, then the centre in India has never been close to Pakistan.
India is moving into a bright future with poverty being reduced, education increasing, middle class growing, and good prespects moving forward. Pakistan is moving back to the dark ages with a jihadi culture and mentality.
Pakistanis can depict Hindus, Jews, Christians, Bhudists,or anything else anyway they want. All it will do is further their decay.

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Don't give us that crap man, I've met enough Hindus who after sugarcoating it have expressed their desire to annex Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan (let me tell you fat chance because the Afghans might think of India as a good ally against Pak but they hate Hindus worse than cancer).

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Were these the Hindus who had been living in India??? I wonder coz all this talk of Akhand Bharat etc is something I have seen almost only in GS discussions..I have never come across it in any of the Indian mainstream press...ahvent heard any of the Indian hardliners also talking about it (RSS, Shiv Sena types) - it might have been the dream half a century back for some RSS folks but it isnt something that anybody cares for....think of it...given the kind of enemy status that Pakistan enjoys in India (and vice-versa), is it possible for any of the Indians/Hindus to think of annexing Pakistan etc etc...They are more bothered about progressing on whatever basis...BPOs or IT or whatever...and so its funny when you say HIndus want to annex all these countries...you certainly have no idea of real Hindus/Indians....

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:snooty:
Nice excuse.
The elders never tell sophisticated plans to their kids who cannot handle them in proper way. If you cannot see something because of dark, does not mean it does not exist … :hoonh:

Yes, you are right. We really have no idea of what real Hindus are.
Do you mean by “real Hindus” those who have stopped practicing their religion and become secularized, wanting to modify the barbarian practices of their mythology? Are they real Hindus? :hoonh:

Or those that are hardliners, as you call them, people belonging to RSS/VHP etc etc…

You decied who are “real” Hindus…

And please, for hells sake, do not confused Hindus with Indians. When you call Indians, they include all religions and cultures. If something is done wrong by Hindus, mixing the words Indian with Hindus means representing all others and dragging them in the bad doings of Hindus …

I guess you understand what I mean …

With lots of love

Lahore 981

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The Pakistani elite and military must constantly justify the existence of Pakistan, because they have consistantly failed their masses. They are stuck eternally in 1947, and think India wants to annex it. This is just a minfestation of the unifocal policies Pakistan follows. Hindus are cunning, all Indians are Hindus, therefore ...Pakistan is a haven for innocent Muslims.
Fact remains, Pakistanis only need to justify their existence to themselves. Most Indians don't really care about Pakistan. Pakistan as a state has not progressed, barring some progress it made in the 1970's, it is really on a downward spiral. The Pakistani elite hide their shortcomings and their failure by creating the image of the cunning Hindu.

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It is absolute idiocy to think Indians want Pakistan to be annexed into an Akhand Bharat. Not even Bal Thackeray says that. India has enough of its problems between its own states without adding Pakistan. In fact many Indians secretely wish that Pakistan take over Bihar. We will even give you 5 crores ruppes dahaij.