I wonder why did Indians rename Urdu as Hindi. Can anybody explain the difference between the two languages?
I tried to get a response once from one of the valued “guppee” Mr. Andhra, he is not a “man of few words” but don’t know why did he escape from this minor question!
Urdu in itself is not a language
its a mixture of many languages
thats why the word 'Urdu' means 'Lashkar'
urdu and hindi are in no way the same languages
its not that india decided to take urdu and rename it hindi
i dont get it whats the use of this question ?
or what exactly do you mean ?
urdu is originated from hindi, arabic and persian languages.
Hindi is a much older language, if you talk about hindi spoken in india and urdu spoken in Pakistan,that is what we call slang, the language we Pakistani speak is not pure urdu, we mix english words and sometimes hindi words,same goes for indians.So the spoken language by indians and Pakistani is similar but the accent is sytill a lill different if you notice.
Hindi and Urdu are very different, hindi takes in account more Sanskarit where as Urdu is more polite and take words from Arabic & persian languages.
Urdu is a laskari language, that means a language which was spoken by travelers,the example can be english,if u know english u can travel around the world and will find people from different countries able to communicate with u in english.
In the subcontinent,different provinces had different language but Urdu as a lashkari language was known by almost everyone so travelers never had hard time communicating with people from different regions.
It is a very polite language, That is one reason why it is our National language(im talking about Pakistan) because in Islam Ikhlaak is very important therefore Urdu as a polite language shows respect towards the person we are addressing.
i hope this explains a lill?
kuri kamal hai!BALLEY BALLEY!!
Anchal!
Exactly same & excellent reply.....
But Spohia G, after 52 years how came it came to wonder you that Urdu & Hindi are two different languages??????
Phir Urdu Hindi JhagRa kahaRa kerna hay keya?????
Hmmmmmmmmmm well they use it OUR language in their movies and NOT hindi…so i guess we should let them use it. we are. If they use hindi…indian movies wouldnt make it out of india. lol
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Soubia and anchal app donoo mujey hindu lagti ho. ya phir indian muslims. ya phir…!
no offence.
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Where did hindi come from? Oh you guys MADE it your self or GODSSSSS did it or? what i am interested in its history through your perspective please.
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Jaawan
till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid
slaaaaam,
i just wanna put some facts here about hinduus thinking that y they called it hindi and speak urdu.
this was the time when pakistan and india got freedom from England. one journalist ask to ghandhi that sir u speak urdu and call it hindi. y is that. MRs. Ghandi answered that
urdu is writen in Qurani(arabic) alphabetics and Quran is muslim 's holy book. he said thats y they can't call it urdu and they speak it but write in sunsakret.
if any body have problem with my point. just check the history before started mad at me. because it always happen here.
just two more sentance for Mr. Ghandi
beghal mein churee.
moonh mein ram ram.
and he called himself. man of peace
Munafiqut is a hinduu 's old fashion. they prejudice with muslim, but they never admit.
Zar Leo, write some intelligent stuff so thet the topic can be upgraded to 'arts and culture' forum in stead of degrading it to 'religion' or polics' forum. We dont need that same 'hindu.. hindu.. india.. india.. muh mein ram.. bagal me churi...' kinda crap in all forums. Do we?
khariboli + farsi influence => urdu
khariboli + sanskrith influence => hindi
is there a sharp distinction between urdu and hindi? i dont think so. the languages are very similar, and indistinguishable at normal conversational levels. the difference becomes apparent only when it comes to formal language or some dialects of hindi. i dont think Sophia ever heard anyone speak bhojpuri or avadhi or mythili (which are dialects of hindi), or else she wouldnt have been asking why indians "renamed urdu". interestingly, there is a dialect of urdu spoken in south central india, dakhini, that has fewer farsi and arabic words but is written in the arabic script. hindi is written in the devnagri script, so is nepali, marathi, sanskrith etc.
the conflict between urdu and hindi is largely the legacy of our british rulers. their divide and rule policy lead to pampering of muslims in uttar pradesh (similar to pampering of hindus in sindh). jobs in UP were reserved only for those who could read and write urdu! urdu became the language of the rich and elite in UP.
This is hilarious.
Take a simple question with a completely technical answer and let so-called nationalists go at it. One claims "How dare they!" and the other explains history as if he/she was there to witness it!
Comical, only comical!
Are Hindi And Urdu Two Different Languages?
DUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
urdu is originated from hindi, arabic and persian languages.
Not persian my friend, Pashto that is or Puhktho…
Don’t hate…Cooperate
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You cant explain the difference between 2 historic and cultural things withouth going in detail in their history.
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Jaawan
till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid
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Originally posted by Anchal:
**Urdu in itself is not a language
its a mixture of many languages
thats why the word 'Urdu' means 'Lashkar'
urdu and hindi are in no way the same languages
its not that india decided to take urdu and rename it hindi
i dont get it whats the use of this question ?
or what exactly do you mean ?
**
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aANCHAL URDU IS WRITTEN IN ARABIC SCRIPT HAVE MORE PERSIAN ARABIC TURKISH ETC IN ITS VOCABULARY& YES ENGLISH
HINDI IS WRITTEN IN DEVNAGRI SCRIPT HAS PREDOMINANTLY SANSKRIT & ENGLISH & ALL THERE IS IN URDU CAN END UP IN HINDI THANKS TO WRITER OF BOLLYWOOD SCRIPT,LYRICS,TO DIALOGUES
If you think hindi is not synthesised or mixed ,think again_post office ,station ,railway,aeroplane,(also hawai jahaj)cinema,biscope ...
Whats the deal with the letter Z in hindi, can't you guys pronounce that correctly.
Often times when I watch an Indian program I usually hear J instead of Z.
For example the word Zalim is pronounced Jalim.
Thank you, come again
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**Whats the deal with the letter Z in hindi, can't you guys pronounce that correctly.
Often times when I watch an Indian program I usually hear J instead of Z.
For example the word Zalim is pronounced Jalim.
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Yes, Indians most prounce J for Z! Sunil Gvasker used to call "Ejaj" to Pakistani batsman Ejaz! and that reminds me one of India's senior diplomats Mr. Dixit trying to fabricate a story to prove Pakistani hatered against Indians (in a Zee TV interniew). He said that while in Pakistan, he got a chance to read an elementry urdu alph-bet book for children which read for the letter ZEEM = Zalim showing a Sikh in picture!!
We just burst into laughter watching him telling that "white-lie" on air! Mr. Dixit might have been checked later by someone that there is no letter ZEEM in Urdu but the word Zalim is with Zo'ay. The mistake he made was due to the fact that in Hindi They pronounce "Zalim" as "Jaalim" and there is a letter Jeem (j) in Urdu.
Coming back to my question, As per the difference of writing is concerned , that is true, but as per the speech is concerned Urdu speaking still use a lot of Sanskrit words and Hindi speaking use a lot of Persian ,Arabic and Turkish words. Yet they have given two different names to one language!
Sophia wrote
". Yet they have given two different names to one language!"
lol next you will say subcontinent is the same yet they have given two different names to one place ..india and pakistan?
whats next ?
Sanam jaani
and what exactly was the meaning of your post ?
Mirza Ghalib used to say Urdu & Hindi are basicaly same but written in different style.Probably it is the only language in the world which is so rich and has rich literature in both styles of writing.We should all be very proud of this fact.
i dont know how the hell some 1 can mixup urdu with hindi ...whats wrong with our nation,why we always forgot our roots and nedd some 1 to reform us,why with the muslims,....ok back on the topic....hindi was originolly sansikrat,....then as it was very difficult and thought to b noble languge so in lay man it cahnges it form as hindi stil very different from urdu ...then when mughals came....in indo-pak there were no official language so so in their army (it was the mixture of different nations) so every body try to convey other...and so a new language a very easy language(but very differnet from todays urdu)came into being,but it mostly consist of arabic persian, and hindi but speciality of urdu is it is strechable mean it can b varied it can merge other languages in it.So now a days what is spoken in india(not written) is urdu and we spoke is also urdu wellmodified form of urduas amerrican english is modified form of originol british english.
so i think that matter is cleared and for Godsake think yourselfs as muslim and kep your identity alive
Just Regards,
Fido
:)
Queer hey welcome back.
btw thread is moved to arts and culture section
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Originally posted by fido:
** i dont know how the hell some 1 can mixup urdu with hindi ...whats wrong with our nation,why we always forgot our roots and nedd some 1 to reform us,why with the muslims,....ok back on the topic....hindi was originolly sansikrat,....then as it was very difficult and thought to b noble languge so in lay man it cahnges it form as hindi stil very different from urdu ...then when mughals came....in indo-pak there were no official language so so in their army (it was the mixture of different nations) so every body try to convey other...and so a new language a very easy language(but very differnet from todays urdu)came into being,but it mostly consist of arabic persian, and hindi but speciality of urdu is it is strechable mean it can b varied it can merge other languages in it.So now a days what is spoken in india(not written) is urdu and we spoke is also urdu wellmodified form of urduas amerrican english is modified form of originol british english.
so i think that matter is cleared and for Godsake think yourselfs as muslim and kep your identity alive
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I think communalizing urdu and making it something like Muslim identity was later effort. Otherwise there are a few outstanding writers like Premchand and Firaq Gorakhpuri who were Hindu. In fact, linking Islam and Urdu and trying to thrust it upon Bengalis never got accepted and Bengalis separated. Many Muslims in south India do not know urdu while many Sikhs and Hindus in North India do.
But language is always a emotional issue so it has been communalized.
slaaaaaam,
** This is hilarious.
Take a simple question with a completely technical answer and let so-called nationalists go at it. One claims "How dare they!" and the other explains history as if he/she was there to witness it!
Comical, only comical!**.
A common sense can understood my answer, because it is very simple. my answer is based on facts. the thing i understood by this naive answer by "muhterma" is that she dont like facts. even i said, in my anser before getting on fire please, check the history.
but it didnt worked out at her.
And ullu dear, i m agree with u, but bro i cant stop my feelings. when i found some one hippocratic. thats is y i used those word, if those hurt u than i m sorry.
fi aman allah,
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