Arafat expulsion looming / 'considers killing Arafat' (merged)

Hmm…

Sources: Security cabinet to request plan for Arafat expulsion

The security cabinet will ask the Israel Defense Forces to draw up a plan for the expulsion of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat,
Israeli sources said Thursday.

The decision came during a meeting of the 11-minister strong security cabinet, convened by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to discuss Israel’s response to two suicide bombings in a Jerusalem cafe and outside an IDF base near Rishon Letzion on Tuesday, in which 15 people were killed.

Sharon had held consultations with the heads of the defense establishment upon his return Thursday morning from an official visit to
India, which was cut short due to the attacks.

According to senior Israeli official, the cabinet was to discuss Arafat’s role in the recent violence, saying he is viewed as “the one mainly responsible for the current situation.”

A number of cabinet ministers have in recent days called for the PA leader’s ouster, accusing him of orchestrating the violence, in
addition to what the cabinet source callled his responsibility for many years of “bloodshed and other acts of cruelty.”

The ministers were also expected to weigh other possible responses to Tuesday’s twin bombings. One proposal is to tighten Arafat’s isolation
at his West Bank headquarters by keeping out visitors and cutting off phones, and another idea is to reoccupy the Gaza Strip, where the
Hamas leadership is based.

The United States continues to oppose expulsion of the PA chairman, Israeli officials said, and it is unclear whether Sharon would override his
cabinet and block Arafat’s removal, despite growing public pressure in Israel for drastic action.

Eight of the 11 members of the security cabinet were in favor of expulsion and two are opposed, Israel Television said. Sharon has not made his view public.

Labor Party Chairman Shimon Peres expressed his opposition Thursday such a move, Army Radio said. Speaking during a meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell in Washington, Peres said that Israel must not force the Palestinian leader from the territories.

Arafat himself vowed Thursday to stay put, despite the IDF commandeering a building overlooking his compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah earlier in the day as a “message” to him and his PA.

“No one can kick me out,” Arafat said. Asked if he would leave of his own accord, he said, “definitely not.”

“This is my homeland. This is Terra Sancta. No one can kick me out,” he told reporters. “They can kill me. They have bombs,” he said.

Arafat called on the quartet of the United States, Russia, Europe and the United Nations to “move quickly to protect peace and the road
map” peace plan.

Sources within the prime minister’s entourage to India said Wednesday that Israel’s response to the attacks would be a severe one, which could
come as early as the weekend. Ahead of his departure from India, Sharon said that Israel “will do what needs to be done, we will take
every effort to put an end to terror.”

I think the only true and sincere Palestinian representative would be an IDF chief, and he will lead us out of this mess.

Interesting comment from President Chirac.

http://www.btopenworld.com/news/world/0,,csn=647

]French President Jacques Chirac said at a news conference in Spain: “I consider President Arafat the legitimate representative of the Palestinian Authority and I think it would be a serious mistake to seek to eliminate him politically.”

Lets put it this way. There is to be no peace process. To quote Queensryche (rock band) "Who do you trust when everyone is a crook?"'

Arafat is a lame duck. Has been a lame duck for a decade now. The true leader, the one the people supported, now lies in an Israeli prison camp being tortured. The political leadership is irrelevant in the case of the Palestinian people. The ones that speak with the will and the voice of the people are organizations like the Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Personally i think put a fork in Arafat he has been cooked, now all that needs doing is to carve him up and serve him for dinner.

The one constant in this conflict has been Arafat. Israeli Prime ministers come and go as do American Presidents, but Arafat has been in charge of the Palestinian side for the better part of 40 years.

Have the Palestinians been well served?

Arafat has been elected ONCE, the inifata (his choice) has prevented further elections.

Certainly there must be new Palestinian leaders that can uphold the Palestinian's rights while providing a new vision.

I agree. I suggest you petition the Israeli govt to release him for prision. Where he shouldnt be in the first place due to diplomatic immunity, International Protocol and a host of other international rules and norms even obeyed by Hitler.

Unless you consider Israel and the PLO to be in a state of war (certainly at war in the case of Hamas, if a state can be at war with a faction.), wherein targeting of military leadership is fair game.

As much as Arafat is a beloved figure to the Palestinians, for one figure to hold power over the course of decades simply means policy stagnation at best, and kingship at worst.

You have to legally declare war for the rules of war to take place. The US didnt with regard to Afghanistan and Iraq and thus can treat POWs without the necessary ethics required. This very logic is seen as a violation of human rights by every nation on the face of the earth. The same can be said for Israel.

As the war has not be declared. The rules of war do not apply. Thus diplomatic immunity can not be violated.

How do you declare war on the Fatah? Hammas? How do you declare war on a non-country? Al-Qaeda, or the Taliban whose government was only recognized by two other countries and not by the UN?

We are in times where lines have been blurred to the point where old rules are difficult to apply. Embedded in the rules of law is a counties innate right to self defense. Certainly Israel has been attacked, (Let's not argue chicken and egg here) and has the right to defend itself.

The individual i speak of was part of the PLO. A Legally recognized entity. Thus violation of diplomatic immunity. You declare war on hamas the good old fashioned way. By making it a government declaration.

"Legally recognized entity"

The National Football League is a legally recognized entity, but their leaders do not have "diplomatic immunity". Diplomatic immunity means that duely appointed diplomats cannot be prosecuted for crimes while traveling to foreign lands for official business. It does not mean that Leadership from every country, particularly those who have commited crimes, or who are waging a proxy war, are immune from arrestand prosecution if they have played a role in murder in another country.

I understand who you are discussing. Be that as it may, Israel would not have arrested him if they thought he was a truely viable alternative to Arafat. Anything but Arafat. The future leader of Palestine should have clean hands.

He needs to go bye-bye. I am thikning somewhere cold. can't have him go to Lebabnon. What a mess he made there. the guy is like a walking disaster. He screws up whereever he lands.

^^ I was thinking somewhere warm.. but I guess it would freeze over by the time that happens.

Poor old demographically doomed Israel with all the might of it’s US-funded military it is so scared of the power and influence of one man. :hehe:

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Poor old demographically doomed Israel
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Explain that.

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Explain that.
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Tsk tsk, touched a raw nerve have I? :)

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Tsk tsk, touched a raw nerve have I? :)
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No, I am asking you to explain why Israel is demographically doomed as you've said this more than a few times. You hit my 'what's he talking about' nerve.

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No, I am asking you to explain why Israel is demographically doomed as you've said this more than a few times.
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Oh, I am sure you know what I mean, that's why it has perturbed you so much. If you don't then ask your local AIPAC line manger. ;) As this thread is about the Israeli's being so scared of Yaasir Arafat, I suggest you PM me as you usually do when you want to know more about something else. Shalom. :)

Malik do you even know what you mean? If so just say it, damn it's like pulling teeth.

Oh Boy!