Arabs sneer at "Iraqi Freedom" label

So the Yanks think they are liberating the Iraqis. Sadly they miscalculated, but that happens when you behave in an arrogant manner.

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AMMAN (Reuters) - From street protests to newspaper columns, many Arabs in the Middle East say the only liberty they see so far in “Operation Iraqi Freedom” is the United States and Britain taking the liberty of waging war at will.

“The Bush-Blair war can be called a lot of things, but it cannot be called a war to free Iraqis,” said columnist Taher al-Adwan in the independent Jordanian newspaper al-Arab al-Youm.

“A better name is the “War of Lies”, because it is through lies that they think they can fool all the people all the time,” he wrote in a recent column entitled “Freedom to Kill Iraqis.”

Nearly two weeks into the war, many Arabs bombarded with images of bombings in Baghdad and handcuffed Iraqi prisoners say they are not buying into the stated aim of what U.S. President George W. Bush’s government calls Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Street demonstrations in Arab capitals burn American flags and chant support for Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, who Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair say they intend to overthrow to free Iraqis of an oppressive regime.

Commentators in the region say the name Operation Iraqi Freedom, apparently meant to win over public opinion, has backfired to become grist for sarcasm and scorn as word of the wounded and the dead flows from Arab television channels.

“How can they call it that?,” said Ali Naim, an Egyptian in Cairo, after last Friday’s Baghdad market bombing which an Iraqi doctor said killed 62 people. “They aren’t liberating Iraq. They are killing people in markets. You call that liberation?”

**A political cartoon in Egypt’s opposition al-Wafd newspaper shows Bush at his desk talking on the phone. "Hello, American forces command? I tell you what: don’t kill all the Iraqis.

“Leave some alive because we are saying that we are freeing them from Saddam’s rule.”**

American forces have not met with the surrender of Iraqi forces or popular uprising against Saddam’s rule to the extent that they had planned for when they launched war on March 20.

U.S. CAME IN PEACE

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said in an interview with National Public Radio last week that after the U.S. army defeated the Iraqi government “…the Arab public will realise that we came in peace. We came as liberators, not conquerors”.

“It is not Iraqi Freedom. It is Iraqi slavery,” said Metwali Ibrahim, a Palestinian teacher in Gaza.

“Freedom should start from the people, not from a foreign force killing them,” Shahir Qawasmeh, a medical student, said at a protest in Amman. “If this is freedom, we do not need it.”

Operation Iraqi Freedom has been mocked on the Internet. Chat room participants suggested “Operation Iraqi Murder Death Kill” and “Operation Wacky Iraqi Attacky” were better alternatives.

One quoted American television host Jay Leno making the name the butt of a joke at the start of his show: “They’re calling it Operation Iraqi Freedom. They were going to call it Operation Iraqi Liberation until they realised that spells ‘OIL’.”

Dan Plesch, a senior research fellow for the London-based Royal United Services Institute, said the American habit of choosing “public relations” operational names was unusual, noting Britain uses names randomly picked by computer.

“The principal intention behind it is to sell the operation to the American public, who after all pay for the operation and are responsible for it,” he said.

“A great many people in different parts of the world will simple regard it as “Operation Conquest” rather than Operation Freedom.”

Such a comment seemed like an understatement judging by a recent student protest against the war at Jordan University.

“The demonstrators here have come out in force today and the day after someone else will,” said student Ali Abu-Shakra. “The time is coming, not right now, maybe not even in a day or two. But America will collapse by our hands, not someone else’s.”

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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"The principal intention behind it is to sell the operation to the American public, who after all pay for the operation and are responsible for it," he said.
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Perhaps A good case for targeting American civilians around the world?

Does anyone believe that there might be something good coming out of it?

I am asking taboo questions. I know that.

Even if Americans are put in their place as they may be. Do you think this war will have it's lessons and teach something for prosterity?

I once well many times have said i supported this war. I take those comments back. Saddam is a *******, but hell its better than what the American government is doing attack markets and destroying water facilities.

If the Iraqis hold out for another 10 to 15 days the coalition will crumble.

Not surprising, as the Arabs like most others know just exactly what kind of freedom the US supports across the Arab world and elsewhere.

Perhaps if the Arabs spoke out against Saddam like they are now against America or against their own governments they would know freedom and Saddam might not be around and this war wouldn't be needed. Attacking the U.S. is easier though, but these words are empty and mean nothing to the Iraqis, if the Arabs protesting got what they want, an Iraqi 'victory", Saddam would remain in power, what a message to send to the Iraqis who live under him.

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What convoluted logic....if you only do what we say none of this would happen. Look what everyone here is saying is that you boys are outsiders: Foreigner, Ferengi, Gajo, Xeno etc etc take you pick. Just because you keep parotting the word "liberty" like the commies kept repeating "people's this and people's that" does not mean everyone else believes it. In everyone's eyes right now including the Iraqis (even from news running on American media), you boys are worse than Saddam....deal with it and go home. They will deal with one despot at a time and right now you guys are beginning to look like the bigger one.... Yeah Saddam gassed his own people but you are bombing them and to tope it off you are outsiders...coming from 8000 miles away to do what? Bomb markets and bring havoc? Liberty bombs or Saddam bombs, to the person whose flesh gets fried they are all bombs...you are making people forgive Saddam all his sins is that good or bad? Does it bother you at all that the rhetoric and the tactics are the same that Stalin used in E. Europe?

I know you guys think you are so special and noble because you look at yourself as willing to give up your life to alleviate the others suffering but please try to listen to what the people you are trying to "liberate" are saying, nay shouting and shouting loud enough that even your own media is forced to acknowledge it. Listen and heed thier voices because they do not want to be saved....at least not by you and not in this way.

Liberty and Freedom for the Iraqis would be great, but the objective of the Iraq operation is not to free the Iraqi people but to disarm a man of chemical and biological weapons that is a threat to the United States. The Freeing of Iraq from a brutal dictator is a side effect and that has been stated again and again. The Arab world can sneer at the Iraqi Freedom label but Washington and New York know the effects of what a repressive government can turn people into. Maybe the seed of Democracy will fail in Iraq and nothing will change, or maybe the seed will grow and spread throughout the region. That won't be up to the U.S.

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but the objective of the Iraq operation is not to free the Iraqi people but to disarm a man of chemical and biological weapons that is a threat to the United States.

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Are you kidding me? Then why is the name of the operation "Iraqi freedom" and not something else that is more reflective of the main objective? Why is it that President Bush has repeatedly said that he will not rest until Saddam is removed from power and not that he will not rest until these alleged weapons are found and destroyed? Not much moral clarity there I am afraid.

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but Washington and New York know the effects of what a repressive government can turn people into

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Well whats sauce for the goose.... but how would Washington and New York know? were they under a repressive regime?....Oh you are trying to blame 9/11 on some foreign repressive government....Ok you know what OBL's beef is with you guys? What was it? "Get out of our lands or else" Not "Gimme your 401(k), a Cadillac and a blondie and oh come and liberate us please or else."

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...the objective of the Iraq operation is not to free the Iraqi people...
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Thank you, at least you admit the truth even if your government continues to tell lies under the name of "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

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Maybe the seed of Democracy will fail in Iraq and nothing will change, or maybe the seed will grow and spread throughout the region. That won't be up to the U.S.
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IMHO :D, the only seed in my opinoin that will spread in the region is bullying by the US, either thru its military presence or other ways of coercion. The seed for future military adventures because fo non-complaiance with US ways of weapons inspections in Iran have been planted already. Next we will prolly hear something like "Iran is building weapons of mass destruction, ppl are opressed, run by mullah clerics". Then throw in some emotional 9/11 rhetoric and you will have seeds of "regime change" in Iran. And prolly Syria and eleswhere as well.

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Not surprising, as the Arabs like most others know just exactly what kind of freedom the US supports across the Arab world and elsewhere.
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Maliki73,

What is it that the U.S. has done to Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt or any of those Mid-East Countries?

If I'm not mistaken, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia have had they same type of government for over 30 years?? Now how is that the U.S. fault? Have we ever been at war with them?

Did we chose the government of Eygpt or Jordan?

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Maliki73,

What is it that the U.S. has done to Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt or any of those Mid-East Countries?

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What is it that Iraq has done to the United States?

If I'm not mistaken Iraq has had the same type of government for the last 24 years, and most of that time the United States was wining and dining with its leaders (Saddam).

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What is it that Iraq has done to the United States?

If I'm not mistaken Iraq has had the same type of government for the last 24 years, and most of that time the United States was wining and dining with its leaders (Saddam).
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Thats a Good Point Malik73. U.S. feels the government of Saddam Hussein threatens the security of its neighbors and the U.S. with weapons technology and economically.

Liberty and Freedom?

From who and what.

You mean Materialism and Self Gain!

The new doctrine!

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AMMAN (Reuters) - From street protests to newspaper columns, many Arabs in the Middle East say the only liberty they see so far in "Operation Iraqi Freedom" is the United States and Britain taking the liberty of waging war at will.

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"A better name is the "War of Lies", because it is through lies that they think they can fool all the people all the time," he wrote in a recent column entitled "Freedom to Kill Iraqis."
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Surely you don't believe its the express intention of the U.S. to kill civilians?

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American forces have not met with the surrender of Iraqi forces or popular uprising against Saddam's rule to the extent that they had planned for when they launched war on March 20.
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I'd like to know who gave the writer of this arcticle and the rest of the news media classified war plans and timelines?

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"It is not Iraqi Freedom. It is Iraqi slavery," said Metwali Ibrahim, a Palestinian teacher in Gaza.
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Just because this is his opinion it makes it true?

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"The demonstrators here have come out in force today and the day after someone else will," said student Ali Abu-Shakra. "The time is coming, not right now, maybe not even in a day or two. But America will collapse by our hands, not someone else's."
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And thats not a threat?

AAG

I really think you should read Ezra Pounds Theory.

Once done, please feel free to give us your comments.

Are you commenting on my lack of intellect…or my writting skills? :teary1:

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Liberty and Freedom?

From who and what.

You mean Materialism and Self Gain!

The new doctrine!
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Ask the Iraqi's.

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Surely you don't believe its the express intention of the U.S. to kill civilians?

** And why not, when they can't kill Iraqis they train their guns on the Brits. **

I'd like to know who gave the writer of this arcticle and the rest of the news media classified war plans and timelines?

** Loud mouth over zealous Rumsfeld**

Just because this is his opinion it makes it true?

** why not? Just because he is speaking the truth, which yanks don't like**

And thats not a threat?

** You people are the invaders (not liberators), you take the consequences**

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Both?

On a more serious note, you really need to sometimes read between the lines and look beyond the sentences.

Don't always believe the hype.