Islam started and spread from Arabia, its inevitable that parts of arabic culture wud get mixed with Islam. Its upto the muslims who practice it to differentiate what is arabic custom and what is "Quran and Sunnah", and i don't agree with the author that niqaab is arab culture, it isn't.
On the other hand, western culture is being being equated to civility and progression. People liek PCG will consider a person less of a human being, if he/she doesn't know English.
Not as worse as the influence of Mithras having huge impact on Christianity.
That is a bizarre statement. Christian culture is based on Mithraism? Are you saying they mimic the Mithraic customs of dress, eat, speak, clean, pray, etc?
That is a bizarre statement. Christian culture is based on Mithraism? Are you saying they mimic the Mithraic customs of dress, eat, speak, clean, pray, etc?
Oh oh, I made some offending statement here. To be honest It wasnt my purpose, but there are enough simliarities (proven!) to the Christian Religion of today. The interpretation of Christianity Church of some holy solemnities and their rituals.
You didn't offend at all, you just made a completely false satement. Current Christian culture is not at all based on Mithraism. I agree that Christianity and Islam both have rituals based in paganism, but that is a different subject than the Arabization of Islam - the current practice of Islam that mimics Arab culture.
I cant remember of an Islamic ritual based in paganism. Where I state your assumption as completely false. Therefore I feel you been hurt by my statement and this very link I have posted.
we will think about taking out arab culture out of Islam, when the Jews take out Hebrew culture and mentality out of their religion. After all the Jews(a religion) claims palestine cause the hebrews( a race) use to supposedly live in palestine along with the dinosaurs in the Jurrasic period.
fair deal ?
or if the Hindus take out Indian culture out of their religion. No more prayers on the Ganges cause its indian centeric. No more curries or samosas on Hanuman's birthdays.
Please, hurt me. I yearn for a post from you that challenges me. I have already stated that Christianity has rituals based on old pagan rituals. And if it’s true that Chritianity is a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Judaism and the works of individuals such as St. Paul, then one can also say that Islam is a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Christianity, Judaism and the works of individuals such Muhammad and the imans that followed him.
But once again, for those slow on the uptake - that is a different subject than the current practice of Islam which has many aspects and cultural norms that mimic Arabic culture.
Please, hurt me. I yearn for a post from you that challenges me. I have already stated that Christianity has rituals based on old pagan rituals. And if it's true that Chritianity is a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Judaism and the works of individuals such as St. Paul, then one can also say that Islam is a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Christianity, Judaism and the works of individuals such Muhammad and the imans that followed him.
But once again, for those slow on the uptake - that is a different subject than the current practice of Islam which has many aspects and cultural norms that mimic Arabic culture.
Again you are taking me wrong when I feel you being hurt or offended. The very first time Im not applying any sarcasm on my post to discuss to you.
Can you make me understand the direct link between Islam and Mithraism?
Well our religion is based on following Muhammads (s.a.w) teaching, I dont see a problem with that.
I didn't say it was a problem, but to a non-Muslim Islam is a reformated version of earlier faiths, so it goes to say that if Christianity was heavily influenced by Mithraism then so was Islam.
. After all the Jews(a religion) claims palestine cause the hebrews( a race) use to supposedly live in palestine along with the dinosaurs in the Jurrasic period.
Not sure about the dinosaurs, but the original inhabitants of the land of Israel were the ancestors of the Palestinians today who were Jewish at first and then became Christian and then later on Muslims. The European and Caucasian Jews of Israel today are not Semetic like the Palestinians and cannot claim the land of Israel based on their supposed "Jewishness"
also may I point out those people who complain about the aspects of arab culture approved by islam , have no problem in adopting those aspects of arab culture which are forbidden by islam e.g their music, wine , dances etc
its actually a latent fear of God-fearing muslims which manifests itself as racism towards anything arabic
I dont deny that arabs have a lot of racist in them as well but that we will save for another thread
I didn't say it was a problem, but to a non-Muslim Islam is a reformated version of earlier faiths, so it goes to say that if Christianity was heavily influenced by Mithraism then so was Islam.
I didnt know muslims go praying in churches with whine and bread in their mouths and incense all over.
Not everything from the past has become part of Islamic tradition and culture. Since Islams (historically speaking) birth was in mid east not never was under influence of the romans (of whom many worshipped Mithras) unlike Christianity.
^ But if Islam is a derivative of Christianity (as most non-Muslims believe), then whatever influenced Christianity also influenced Islam. Agreed, not all became part of Islamic tradition and culture, just as all of Mithraism did not become part of Christianity.
Well we believe in a different concept of Jesus and the Chrstianity. He was a Prophet to us not the son of god therefore I cannot accept your claim. Nor have I ever heard of non-Muslims (those I know) believing Islam is a dissapation of Christianity, for the very reasons I have listed above. Otherwise we would be worshipping Jesus as a son of god or even claiming him to be divine. Thats what we not do....So again Seminole your claims are not convincing. Try again.
Well we believe in a different concept of Jesus and the Chrstianity. He was a Prophet to us not the son of god therefore I cannot accept your claim. Nor have I ever heard of non-Muslims (those I know) believing Islam is a dissapation of Christianity, for the very reasons I have listed above. Otherwise we would be worshipping Jesus as a son of god or even claiming him to be divine. Thats what we not do....So again Seminole your claims are not convincing. Try again.
Of course you don't worship Jesus, did I claim they were the same religion? I said derivative - meaning not original. Sure certain aspects are (such as the prophethood of Muhammad).
Non-Muslims don't believe the Quran to be the word of God, so what else would they believe about a religion that claims many of the same prophets, history and laws? Coincidence? With these similarities it couldn't be original, so it has to be a derivative of the existing religion.
Of course you don't worship Jesus, did I claim they were the same religion? I said derivative - meaning not original. Sure certain aspects are (such as the prophethood of Muhammad).
Non-Muslims don't believe the Quran to be the word of God, so what else would they believe about a religion that claims many of the same prophets, history and laws? Coincidence? With these similarities it couldn't be original, so it has to be a derivative of the existing religion.
Fact Is that even historians (non-muslims) will not claim Islam to be a revulsion of Christianity coz the fundamentals of these religions differ. But rather track It's origin back to the 10 Commandments (hebrew belief) and not that of the Christian Church Ideology.
^Christian influence is just about Jesus and Mary? Acha I didnt know. They are all al-e-kittab therefore yes they have a link to eachother but you cannot say Islam is a modification of Christianity.
Actually you are just trying to de-rail from the core issue (my first claim regarding MIthars) to wish your assumptions about Islam to become true one day or another.
You may enjoy talking in cirlces, I don't. I was hoping for an intelligent debate which obviously isn't going to happen. I've wasted enough of my time.