It is said most Arabic influenced language in Pakistan is Saraiki as Arab conquests went upto Multan and many of Arab tribes settled there.
Basic words for vegetables like garlic (thoom) and onion (basal) are very much similar to Arabic names of these vegetables. Though in central Punjab onion is gandaa.
The commonly used word ‘Shareeka’ in Punjabi is very much Arabic in its roots. Mitr and sagaa are the pure local words which came from sanskrit.
Same is the story with Sindhi. many words in Sindhi got Arabic root and which are otherwise not common in other local languages.
lets try to find out these words from local languages, which are otherwise difficult to recognise as they got some pronunciation variation.
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I've noticed that Urdu contains loads of Dari/Persian words and was quite influenced by it. I had a question about that, is Dari/Persian semi-intelligible to people who speak Urdu fluently?
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Maal is used for wealth in Arabic, but in Sindhi and Saraki 'Maal' means cattle (cho'paye)
Maal Road of Lahore? History?
I've noticed that Urdu contains loads of Dari/Persian words and was quite influenced by it. I had a question about that, is Dari/Persian semi-intelligible to people who speak Urdu fluently?
^ Urdu has loads of Persian(Dari) and Arabic words....
Vocabulary wise it is intelligible, but otherwise Shah of Iran was quite embarrassed with Persian spoken in Pakistan
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Maal Road of Lahore? History?
^ Urdu has loads of Persian(Dari) and Arabic words....
Kion?
Mall road is English wala shopping Mall. Mall Road Murree was not open for locals during British era.
Shah Iran was embarassed as Persian in Pakistan was of from Bostan and Gulistan era and in between lots of changes have taken place in the language. Probably, he had said that Pakistan's Persian is limited to the extent as was learnt by Humayon during his exile
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Mall road is English wala shopping Mall. Mall Road Murree was not open for locals during British era.
Shah Iran was embarassed as Persian in Pakistan was of from Bostan and Gulistan era and in between lots of changes have taken place in the language. Probably, he had said that Pakistan's Persian is limited to the extent as was learnt by Humayon during his exile
^Yes, this. My husband has a Pakistani friend that speaks Dari and I've noticed that the manner in which he (and other people I've met) speak Dari is quite different from contemporary Dari. It sounds rather formal and a bit old fashioned. Is the Persian taught in Pakistan taught for practical purposes or more for understand Persian poetry and the like?
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^Yes, this. My husband has a Pakistani friend that speaks Dari and I've noticed that the manner in which he (and other people I've met) speak Dari is quite different from contemporary Dari. It sounds rather formal and a bit old fashioned. Is the Persian taught in Pakistan taught for practical purposes or more for understand Persian poetry and the like?
In 1950/1960s... Persian used to teach at Primary school classes... My aunt speaks Persian... reason... she spent her time in Afghanistan and Iran....
Now... Religious Mardarsas are only places where Persian is considered as learning language...
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**In 1950/1960s... Persian used to teach at Primary school classes... My aunt speaks Persian... reason... she spent her time in Afghanistan and Iran.... **
Now... Religious Mardarsas are only places where Persian is considered as learning language...
Dari in Pakistan... interesting...
I've met a couple of older Pakistani people (from the era you mentioned) who speak it fluently. Is it possible that the Dari taught during the 1950s/1960s was actually geared towards practical, everyday use, while what is being taught now is more for literary purposes rather than day to day life?
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Now… In last few decades… things have changed(politically)… I myself learned Arabic as foreign language beside English. Local languages(e.g. Sindhi) are also included at Primary and Secondary level
Pakistan is more inclined toward Saudi Arab… Pakistan as Sunni State… KSA doesn’t want Iranian influence on Pakistan That may be a reason…
I heard that Urdu was the second language of Taliban… might be… they got education(in Urdu) from Pakistan…
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^It is for many of them. This is the reason there is a quite a bit of anti-Pakistan sentiment in Afghanistan. Many people view Pakistan as being responsible for many of Afghanistan’s current problems on account of this.
(I’ve actually had people say not so nice things to me when I’ve mentioned that I speak/understand Urdu.)
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Enmity is not new… Afghanistan and Pakistan were never been in friendly relation until 1990s… Because Pakistan is so concerned about India / Kashmir and Afghanistan was always pro India… and** Pakistan does not want any enemy on Western boarders of Pakistan** (Afghanistan)… Pakistan created Taliban… a friendly government to Pakistan… Most of their member recruited from Madrasas of Pakistan…
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No, the enmity isn’t new but I have noticed that it is definitely more pronounced now than in past decades. Also, I’ve noticed before that it was primarily political, now I’ve noticed that the enmity has become rather deeply rooted and even affects certain social aspects.
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I was not aware of the intensity of hate.. Advent of Youtube… and specially comments area of video… I read many hate statements from them… Though I never interacted with them… The first thing you can read… they don’t like Punjabies… They think.. they are the part of problem… they actually change the name of Pakistan to an animal… I will not write here…
Most of their member recruited from Madrasas of Pakistan…