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Bad habits are hard to let go, Mr. India... Its been so many years and you cannot even let go of worshipping rats, drinking their milk, even cow piss, and stupid practices like Satti... Apne ghirabhaan me pehle jhaank lo
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you converted under pressure we did not so you have to say something.
may you dont want to pay the jijya tax.
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
Bad habits are hard to let go, Mr. India... Its been so many years and you cannot even let go of worshipping rats, drinking their milk, even cow piss, and stupid practices like Satti... Apne ghirabhaan me pehle jhaank lo
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the miracle education of a pakistani madrassa has done wonders for awareness, no doubt. india launches satellites, but some pakistanis would rather believe their mullah regarding how backward indians are. :)
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I would love to adopt all the positive things about the Arabic culture, and let go of the negative things that have emerged from living so long with the Hindus...
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you were not living with hindus you were hindus . do you know pakistani names before bin quasim invaded pakistan?
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*Originally posted by queer: *
the miracle education of a pakistani madrassa has done wonders for awareness, no doubt. india launches satellites, but some pakistanis would rather believe their mullah regarding how backward indians are. :)
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This madrassah joke is getting old now... As for education, you havent done much either... Did you see the results of the last ROBOCON competition at Japan? Every country in Asia got an awar, except India, which sent in its brightest ppl from the IIT... Baray aye education ke thakedaar... Do you deny the satti incidents? Do you deny that the gang rape order was passed in India as well? If you do so, I will be more than happy to provide the links and once again you will be humiliated...
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
you were not living with hindus you were hindus . do you know pakistani names before bin quasim invaded pakistan?
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How can you be so sure eh?
Even if I was, I am glad we changed from Hinduism, that was a direct result of the effects of the stupid caste system you have...
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
How can you be so sure eh?
Even if I was, I am glad we changed from Hinduism, that was a direct result of the effects of the stupid caste system you have...
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you are the one who said you dont like southerners since they are dark
compared pakistanis. how come bangadesh and west pakistanis cant
live under one religen ? why still indian muslims are still called mujahirs?
ROBOCON? wasnt that contest open only to the AK-47 class madrassas?
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ROBOCON? wasnt that contest open only to the AK-47 class madrassas?
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Then how come the IIT participated? Is it a madrassah too? You do know what the IIT means, because you seem like an uneducated fool to me...
I guess with your logic, the Tokyo Institute of Technology is also a madrassah, and the only difference between the Japani, Pakistani etc and Indian madrassahs is that the latter failed to pick up any awards, despite claiming to be the gurus of engineering, HEH...
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
you are the one who said you dont like southerners since they are dark
compared pakistanis. how come bangadesh and west pakistanis cant
live under one religen ? why still indian muslims are still called mujahirs?
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Kaka jee, I love south indians, happy?
Anywayz, what does it have to do with the caste system. We did not convert under pressure, we converted because the handful of Arabs that came here, won us with their religion and fair dealings. Remember that Hindu tyrrant Raja Dahir, whom the great Mohammad Bin Qasim defeated? Most of his kingdom converted after Mohammad Bin Qasim said no one would be harmed... Your religion was treating them with disrespect and Islam was their only answer.
1/ repeatedly RVIKZ & Queer mention that musklims in Indian subcontinent were Hindus .It is quiet possible & equally possible some came with various times "conquerors" warriors defeated Indian rajah.
2/ Repeatedly Indians on purpose alter history that these battles were tio spread Islam ...far from truth.Main primary goal & missions were to capture kingdom & be king & enjoy the good life as it was at that time
3/ Muslims are not rascist to think of themselves as superior or inferior .You keep reminding us that maybe we were Hindus before 15000 when is the earliest anybody could have been Muslims.No need to stress the obvious we could not be muslims before Islam ..RIGHT?
4/There can be any number of muslims who might have done bad things .....BUT INDIANS BLAME ISLAM for it .THIS IS ridiculous
5/ When custom & culture of Hinduism is criticized WE DONT SAY THAT IT IS BEING PRACTICED INMODERN INDIAAS FREQUENTLY AS IN THE PAST .But only to remiond you of the legacy .AND occasional Sati dowry death & selective abortion Misoginy only keep those memory fresh.
So it dont help your argument if you think calling us Hindu originaly or ex Hindus would lessen the crtique of hinduism .First it is god reason why we might have converted ,second we seem to have DOBNE SOMTHING ABOUT IT ..left the system but you HAVEn'T !!!!
i am not blaming islam . some of the muslim rulers were cruel
it islike blaming islam for osama or othere numerous present day muslim leaders.lot of people did not convert since there was no "religous vacum" not because they dont like islam.
besides it better to have your own identity of native beliefs .
only arabs jews and indians have created their own religen that is
to say "home brew"
Agreed about the ‘home brewed’
It is also a fact that No body can BECOME Hindu or convert to hinduism or even there was any desire or invitation to the world at large or territories outside Indian subcontinent & adjoining south asia .
Islam was ‘open invitation’ religion from the beginning.
If Hinduism doesnt want to invite anyone yet object to others inviting & spreading ,puts every body in bind.WHAT DOES HINDU or politicians want?
Its like confusiong others because of your own fault & unsureness! 
May be if you cant beat them join them!
we can take all the good things from other religen without being loosing our own identiy. india is not hindu country like pakistan is exlcusivesly
for sunni muslims. any religen practised is indian religen that includes
islam and all other tribal religens. afterll we are going to be the nation with largest muslim population. india integrated more langualges and ethinic groups learning from your ummah and pakistan cant integrate benagli muslims or dont want to share power with them learning from
some bad aspects of some pre-islamic “aryan” . after all you claim to be
“war like aryan” martial race who defeated local pre-aryan elements.
rvikz chacha... Islam has no boundaries... Its a superior religion that lets go of hate and caste...
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we can take all the good things from other religen without being loosing our own identiy. india is not hindu country like pakistan is exlcusivesly
for sunni muslims. any religen practised is indian religen that includes
islam and all other tribal religens. afterll we are going to be the nation with largest muslim population. india integrated more langualges and ethinic groups learning from your ummah and pakistan cant integrate benagli muslims or dont want to share power with them learning from
some bad aspects of some pre-islamic "aryan" . after all you claim to be
"war like aryan" martial race who defeated local pre-aryan elements.
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The word 'aryan' or ARYA as in ARYA SAMAJ is Hindus lingo.
There is no emphasis of race in Islam whether good or bad.It just accepts every body in fact when it was given that blacks are slaves ,Islam 1500 yrs ago ,made it cool to be friend & hang out with blacks or afro .First muezzin of Prophets mosque was BILAL an Afro (black)
But i know Hindus cite....." look so & so didnt marry so so ...or there were slaves in 700 "Of course there was all ills then as now but Islam didnt own the world that it will force its law over all.Islamic regime was not a fact specially in the beginning ...Slavery as we know existed less than even 200yrs ago in USA .May be it is still in Portugal,Romania ,Samao ..may be but Islam cannot gurantee laws against it world over & its implementation.
What you say by learning from all religion is like saying i am neutral.
Suppose you say i love & like American very much would that be enough for you to be allowed to come & live in usa permanently .????????
The reality of world is there are WALLS & BORDERS & your concept of no fences & no borders goes against the political system under which world ...UNO (although impotent) live .Same with religion .Each religion judeaism ,christianity Islam have formed there body of belief system to dineate & demark itself distinctively from any other religion.Hinduism like India being so many states with so many mini cultures of each state & regional languages is 20 religions or races in one .You may something while another RSS may say opposite .
then how come iranian shaw named himself "aryamehr"
the afghan airlines aslo know as "aryana" once name of afganistan.
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then how come iranian shaw named himself "aryamehr"
the afghan airlines aslo know as "aryana" once name of afganistan.
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GOOD QUESTION !
No wonder he was chased out by almost whole iranian population when according to some Iran was very prosperous & fashionable then like Paris ,London New york.
While majority of Iranian were consevative poor Iranian who RELIGOUSLY bestowed power into him ,the fellow hobnobbed with American explioters drunkards Gamblers fornicators who just siphoned iranian wealth & corrupted there religion & culture like adding toxicant to water rendering it poisonous.
Afgan has done many idiotic things that is NOT ISLAM!!
here is more info
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
i am not blaming islam . some of the muslim rulers were cruel
it islike blaming islam for osama or othere numerous present day muslim leaders.lot of people did not convert since there was no "religous vacum" not because they dont like islam.
besides it better to have your own identity of native beliefs .
only arabs jews and indians have created their own religen that is
to say "home brew"
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the jews never invented a relegion neither did the arabs. the history of jews and arabs go back to abraham, their father who at that time was the most admired person of God. Abraham didnot follow either judaism nor anyother relegion, but monotheism.
RVIKZ
If you bel;ieve in Aryan Invasion Theory ,then it is one thing.May be like the British ,Variouis Muslim King wannabes , & Aryans before that came to India.
B/c of Land route was the only means of travelling Iguess, all of them came from the Khyber Pass via Afghnistan region…
But as you know the peole who want to ethnically cleanse Muslims & christians from Indian subcontinent (but thank god for Pakistan where they never can rukle)based on THERE CLAIM OF NOT believing in Aryan invasion Theory .They (hindutva ) charge that AIT is Britishers invention.They (HINDUTVA) place all Hindus aryan (north Indians)& Dravidians(south Indians) as being present INDEGENOUSLY .This is called selective memory & Convenience .Having your cake & able to eat it too.
However there is no evidence of that Aryans were in India & never came from outside & Weitzel & his opartner repeatedly has shown that Rajaram & Jha (i(?afik)faked a computer images to make it look contemporary of the peiod when it was noty the famous Horse Seal !!!