Re: Aqeeda Toheed of Tablige Jamat
Do you know the Islamic history Good if you know it, do you know that time the people were Jaahil and illiterate and if the people are illetrate then these guys use some eg. when the best eg. is of the righteous predecessors.
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look I am not forcing u people to be in tableeghi jamaat but all i am saying is their maqsad is not wrong.THey think about people like they think about themselves.their only maqsad for tableegh is that every muslim on the face of earth should be save from bad doings and he/she will get jannah.MAY ALLAH BESTOW US ALL MUSLIMS WITH JANNAH AMEEN.the point is if u don't go with them just don't criticise them because they are not bad people.they don't think bad about anyone and they don't harm anyone.
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I agree with you, wrt that, but problem is they should do it the right way by Quran and Sunnaah throw Fazail e Aamaal away, announce in media we are no more using this book and then i would respect them coz they have a great intention but wrong source of spreading it.
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look i told u before they use fazail-eamaal in different ways like for example this is true "my friend's relatives went to village for dawat and they see their that some of people didn't know the kalima they were saying it wrong.for that kind of scenrio fail-amaal is easy for those people to understand."My freind is alima i told u before and she is here and her brother is mufti they know how to answer u people. because when u r doing dawat u have to know the right knowledge about islam and alimaas and alims do. This is another issue they are strict hanfi or shafi or hanbli but they try their best to follow islam and they will tell u right sunnah.
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Tell me to go to Jannah what are thse sources God is provided us with the people can have the best of intentions the Christians also feel the same right but there way of spreading is wrong coz the book and means is not agreed by Allaah its the same with the Tj i repeat again intention is the best but book is not approved by Allaah.
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look u cannot say that this book is not approved by ALLAH because it is too big to say that.this thing will be decided on the day of judgement so MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US AMEEN for what we say so just be careful while using words.
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i have spent time with the tableeghi jamaat, and i know that fazail-e-aamaal is not the only reason…
they r wrong on many issues…
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Stop this please for the sake of Allaah tell me Swear by Allaah and tell me Swear by Allaah and WAllaahi is this the way to propagate. Simple logical explanation is during the time of Prophet people werent the people more uneducated and more jaahil.
Sunnah of what chilla is a sunnah, prostrating after the complete salah is a sunnah if this is done for the purpose mentioned by Prophet its ok but this is tradition never mentioned in the Sunnah.
In Fazail e Amal i have read it with my own eyes English Translation, Virtues of Hajj.
About Khidr Alayhi salam, a poor man walks allthe way to perform Hajj, but since he was spirited he did not wont to eat food also and fell down unconscious on the Ground.
Then Hazrath Khidr come in his dream and tells him recited this dua and you should be okay after that.
Now I wanna ask you is it Sunnah, i will write more stories of this. Well i dont understand Propeht is told us I have told my Ummah everything, regarding hell or heaven now is it allowed and is it a Sunnah.
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L0L at the propaganda against the tabeelgi jamat. Haters burn haters burn :halo:
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Well... I have also been with them. Yes there definite issues in their doctrine.
but is is better to advise them rather then telling them to completely stop their work.
I completely agree with those who want to stay away from their work...but here are some thoughts worth a moment:
Show them by example how "real" dawah should be done. If the advisor basically has no real Quran and sunnah in his/her own life then their advice will be worthless.
Show them by going to visit people and inviting them to proper circles of knowledge where authentic information is being discussed.
Don't be a lounge chair critic. Be active. So that your advice can make a difference.
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Do you really think they will listen? Who should one talk to in that case? I have heard many people trying to talk to the 'upper' part of jamaat but they pay no heed as thats how the jamaat was created i.e. now everything is carved on stone.
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I completely agree with those who want to stay away from their work...but here are some thoughts worth a moment:
Show them by example how "real" dawah should be done. If the advisor basically has no real Quran and sunnah in his/her own life then their advice will be worthless.
Show them by going to visit people and inviting them to proper circles of knowledge where authentic information is being discussed.
Don't be a lounge chair critic. Be active. So that your advice can make a difference.
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Again, are you talking about 'local' tablighee jamaat or 'central' (upper)? In Dallas atleast, we have a dawah program which has several wings (target audience in malls, radio, billboards, prison etc) with different methods but there is no participation from 'tablighi jamaat' and to my knowledge they are not even willing to 'adapt' a similar method (probably because its not endorsed from 'central' jamat).
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Ok I am ready to agree with you on one condition, give one source from quran or hadees that trading can be done in dreams.
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Then you have done your part.
For groups as big as Tableeghis local advice is for local muslims.
You never know, some might listen. Like we (those who went with them but found the problems) listened.
YEs they are told that any other method besides theirs is incorrect and can lead to misguidance...So the ones that are serious about the group will not come in any other program..
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The young generation of tabligh are more educated and are trying to educate others too. Please leave the indo-pak bashing behind and learn the good and teach the good. That's all.
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^thats exactly what i am talking about
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^ not really, you should re-read your responses, you were defending so we don't say anything to them, criticism is critical for your progress/growth.
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**The young generation of tabligh are more educated and are trying to educate others too **sorry if i misunderstood them but i meant to say that the generation which is coming in tablighji jamaat now they understand everything and they will tell u the right thing.
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Bhaiyon tay behno
While our Cyber Ahya DOT com muftees are hell bent to prove the biggest and most organised taqwah based islamic group our tableghee friends are spending thier lives in jihad Fe sabeelilah.
I have witnessed on so many instances the Nusrat of ALLAH with tableeghi jamaat( as is with mujahideen and other ahle haq).
Wasalam
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To state that Fazail-e-Amaal and other unauthentic stories are limited to South Asia would be a fallacy. I've been around many who ascribe to this jamaah and no doubt they're very nice, friendly, and approachable individuals, but the shortcomings mentioned through out this thread still remain.
Also, it's not as though they've never been approached and corrected. It's been done numerous times.
No one denies or looks down the hard work and effort they put in dawah. It's some of the material (books, stories, and the like) they use and some of the things they believe in that others are not in accord with.
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bhai jaan, Brelvi hazrat have seen the nusrat of Allah with them and I am sure many other jamaats also have seen that, what does that really prove?