Approx size of Hazrat Adam A.S

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are you being sarcastic?

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Peace bebo

Please with a calm mind consider this ...
Hadith were collected by scholars on a certain criteria ... That criteria for the famous Sahih collection was isnaad ... Isnaad merely means chain of transmission ... If something was found to be well transmitted it was included without bias ... It was a truly scientific process.

Now some of these transmissions were quotes, parts of other statements and broken conversations, where context was lost within the topical discussions. Such Hadith although authentic ... Do not carry the weight of command or opinion ... But merely that RasoolAllah (SAW) has said such and such ... But what he meant by it is indeterminate.

This is why when a ruling is taken not only does the Hadith have to be well transmitted, but the context must be clear or at least supported by other Hadith to at least acquire context by proxy.

There are some that are weak, but their meanings and context are well supoported by other Hadith. Also, it is wrong to conclude that one scholar may have gotten it wrong ... Those collections have been peer reviewed many fold ...

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Im guessing some practical joker decided to stick his foot in some mud, knowing someday, someone, would think its divine and start worshiping it.

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:nono: better think before saying anything.
Dont just post as it essential for you

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The hadith concerning Hazrat Adam (AS) height is authentic. It is said that he was sixty cubits tall (90 feet). Also mankind has decreased in stature since that time.
Now this does seem a bit fantastic to believe but it IS believable.
If the Earth was smaller, gravity would be less and the creatures on the planet would then be bigger and taller. That's just scientific fact.
So was the Earth smaller?

In the Quran verses 79:30-79:31 say that: [079:030] And the earth, moreover, hath He
expanded;
[079:031] He draweth out therefrom its moisture and its
pasture;

So the Quran tells us that Allah expanded the Earth. It was smaller and Allah made it bigger. Does this go with science?
Well, yes. Scientists from NASA and Harvard university have proven that the smaller the planet, the lesser the gravity, the taler and bigger the creatures in it will be. It is estimated that Earth used to be 10% its current size. This is why Earth had bigger animals on it before ie the dinosaurs.

But as Earth increased in size, gravity increased and so our bodies would have lessened to balance out with the constant pull of gravity.
In fact, if you take the size of Hazrat Adam (AS) as sixty cubits, you can estimate his average size and weight, determine the force of gravity and how big Earth was and you could probably estimate how many billions/millions of years ago the first man walked on the Earth.

If you don't believe me, look it up. This is all scientific fact. It's been proven.

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yes.

There. I have it in bold too so I am right too :snooty:

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seems like you are very disappointed!! Allah helps those, who help themselves!

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Interesting

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what utter nonsense. :smack: this is absolutely untrue. it is so easy to mislead those that will buy into any falsehood that is presented under the guise of religious dogma.

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Even of you are correct, how did the earth get bigger?

Post your source!

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Earth_is_Not_Expanding_NASA_Research_Confirms

Earth’s_Expanding_Girth

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During the time of the dinosaurs it wasn't just the dinosaurs that were larger. Other animals were larger too, plants and insects also.
There IS evidence for this. How would you explain their size? A reduced gravity earth would explain their size.
There is also evidence of larger humans in earlier times, people have found larger graves containing giant humans.
It's not a ridiculous idea, nor is it nonsense.
I'm not a geologist and I understand the tectonic plate theory but this theory of an expanding earth has validity.

Also about Hazrat Adam (AS) size: Read the following excerpt from the English section of the September 2001 issue of the Hebrew-English Israeli popular science journal "Ha-Mada Ha-Yisraeli B'Angleet V'Ivreet." Then read the comments below.

TEL AVIV, ISRAEL - At the recent Israeli colloquium on science and religion, Dr. Shlomi Lesser of Hebrew University, and the Chairman of the Hofesh V'Mada Society (a stalwart for deeply skeptical Israeli scientists), led a heated debate between biologists and ultra-orthodox Rabbis on the origins of life. Many of the spectators, including those of a deeply religious stance, came away with the feeling that the Rabbis had not done very well against their "Epicurean" counterparts.

The hi-light of the evening came when Dr. Lesser engaged in a one-on-one question exchange with Rabbi Dovid Brown of Yeshiva University. At one point Dr. Lesser asked R. Brown how tall the first man was, to which the esteemed Rabbi replied "he was roughly the size of an average man according to chazal [Jewish sages]." From there Dr. Lesser revealed that genetic research has revealed that the human race coming from a single pair of parents is impossible in light of the biological bottle-neck [a term for the strain put on successive generations by inbreeding] they would have to travel through.

"Our research, in conjunction with the research of other respected institutions around the world, has demonstrated that the entire human population descending from a single pair of human ancestors is highly unlikely." stated Dr. Lesser. "It would seem that the traditional view of groups, not individuals, evolving has been corroborated; the only way man could descend from a single pair (rather than from an entire group of transitional hominids) is if the original pair were literally giants in the pre-nutrition age."

As Dr. Lesser pointed out, prior to the breakthroughs in nutrition that took place in the 17th and 18th centuries, genetic evidence revealed that man would have been shrinking if he came from a single human ancestor. His calculations revealed that in order for the human race to reach the state it was in during the 17th century, the "Adam and Eve" story would only be plausible if the first man was 90 feet tall (which is fantastic to say the least). "There is no other way man could traverse the genetic bottleneck" Dr. Lesser again said. "If Adam was the size of any other man according to the learned Rabbis of the Jewish religion, this demonstrates an obvious absurdity to this myth."

I'm not trying to force my views down anyone's throat. What is written in Sahih hadith and Quran I believe. And Hadith mentions that Hazrat Adam (AS) was 90 feet tall. I don't need evidence to believe this. In the Quran it says the Earth was expanded and made bigger. I believe it. I don't need evidence for it.
And theories are proven and disproven then later proven again throughout history.
If evolution was proven to be true in the future that wouldn't shake my belief in Allah and the Quran. The reason would be because Allah has not told us everything. We do not know the full story about anything. Only Allah knows that and He has told us enough to be satisfied. The rest is faith and trust in Allah.

Hope everyone has a good day. Salaam to all

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In that case NASA is spreading lie.

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NASA is spreading lies, and thornewood's anonymous source that can not be put down into a mere link or reference speaketh the amazing glorious truth. :\

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If earth is expanding in size only, then it means that earth was denser back then and had more gravity than today (just like brown dwarfs or black holes).

If earth is expanding in size and mass both, then where that mass is coming from?

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Not sure if this all is true. But if it is, then, answer to your question from Islamic POV is very straightforward: The source is "Al Mubdi"

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in other words, it is a miracle of God. i.e., defies the laws of the universe as mankind can figure it out?

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Nope.

From purely Islamic faith, Al Mubdi is the attribute and therefore a name of God, which means He creates and has/had created things without help of any existing thing/material to begin with.

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See, now we are at a path, where if i argue on scientific basis any further, then I would look like a person who is doubting what Allah can do. Is there any wonder why religion and science stays miles and miles apart, because whenever we try to ask logical questions, someone starts doubting our level of imaan.

(I am not saying that you are doing that Jinx. I am saying things in general)

I again want to clarify that I believe in Quran and Hadith as part of my basic eemaan. All I am saying that either we did not interpret the hadith properly, or Imam bukhari might have goofed up somewhere.

Could it be that Prophet was talking about the Azmat of Hazrat Aadam? like we say ke falaan buzrg kee shaan tou pahaaron se bhee oonchee hai, and people who are coming after Adam, in terms of Azmat, they will decline gradually. Is not that pretty much what Prophet said in this hadees " "The best of you are my generation and then those who follow them and then those who follow them."