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Peace TLK,
It is Allah who knows what is perfect & Imperfect.. if HE created such a tall human back then.. He must have provided him the suffient meal too! Nothing is difficult or impossible for HIM.
seems like he is tired of providing now. too many people you know. one enjoys every benefit while starve to death.he does not sound to be a very good manager.
only God knows what his plans are. seriously they defy common sense.
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I have come aross some ahadeeth that also state that People of Paradise will be of Adam's height and the calulation given translates into 125 Feet. Never heard of 60 Feet.
And I am no one to say if Adam could have survived with that mass/height or not. Allah created him and Allah sustained him. end of story. Even nations of Aad and Thamood were tall as trunk of a tree. Are we going to deny that too even when the religious evidence is present for this claim? I hope not.
trunk of which tree?
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well there may be gaps, but those aren't really acceptable arguments or sources, imho. they keep refering to this one thing - before the flood/ ante-diluvian. aka bible thumpers out to legitimize their scripture, by hook or crook. not a lot of science on there.
So you don't think there was less gravity on the prehistoric earth? Is it just another theory based on your understanding or is there conclusive geological/scientific evidence to refute the theories presented? Once there is a consensus among geologists on one theory, ultimately the rest will be eliminated which hasn't happened yet.
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bbq, there is no lack of consensus by geologists and biologists as these parascience/christian-science sites seem to want you to believe.
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Those sites haven't influenced me in any way, don't worry. The 2007 book I've referenced seems pretty credible to me (and it's not written with a religious agenda) and that's where I'm getting the no consensus bit from.
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Peace All
The premise for rejecting Hadith would be if further information is found in Hadith to show the contrary ... Otherwise one would have to resort to isnaad and the various sciences to classify the Hadith ... TLK is right that that this matter does not constitute 'aqeedah, but we do have an obligation to respect Hadith. If it appears that a Hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari that should not be there ... We are not just questioning Imam al-Bukhari, but his students who peer reviewed his work, the various scholars through time who had ample time to cross-examine his work as well.
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You are right. There are numerous ahadees from the sahi sitta which are so bizarre and does not match with the otherwise personality of prophet Mohammed. Imam Bukhari or imam Shafi etc were humans and prone to error/lapse of judgment.
Entirely wrong ... They collected Hadith without bias ... They kept to rules which didn't give them the privilege of selecting Hadith that made sense to them ... They were compiling them honestly based on how connected and well transmitted they were ... As can be seen there are plenty of ahadith that although may pass mutawaatir with flying colours, but because their meanings are ambiguous they cannot be used to prove a point in isolation.
There are many Hadith that are in this category but are still considered authentic ... Authenticity does not translate to being the most sensible ... And because they don't make sense they should not be rejected, but preserved with a caution tag on them.
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There are various related articles that you may or may not agree with:
BBQ, if g was 1/3rd or 1/4th, then for earth to maintain the same orbit, it had to revolve at much much higher speed, or the earths orbit would become lesser and put it closer to the sun. We know that earth since its formation, remained in the Goldilocks zone. We know for sure because we are here, and that is the proof that earth stayed closer to its current orbit in last 4 billion years.
Now unless somehow we can prove that earth was revolving at faster rate (which means that terrestrial year was only maybe 6 months long), there is no way that earth could have a lesser mass in the past than now.
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Entirely wrong ... They collected Hadith without bias ... They kept to rules which didn't give them the privilege of selecting Hadith that made sense to them ... They were compiling them honestly based on how connected and well transmitted they were ... As can be seen there are plenty of ahadith that although may pass mutawaatir with flying colours, but because their meanings are ambiguous they cannot be used to prove a point in isolation.
There are many Hadith that are in this category but are still considered authentic ... Authenticity does not translate to being the most sensible ... And because they don't make sense they should not be rejected, but preserved with a caution tag on them.
I disagree!
If something is authentic then whats the point of putting a cautious label.
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BBQ, if g was 1/3rd or 1/4th, then for earth to maintain the same orbit, it had to revolve at much much higher speed, or the earths orbit would become lesser and put it closer to the sun. We know that earth since its formation, remained in the Goldilocks zone. We know for sure because we are here, and that is the proof that earth stayed closer to its current orbit in last 4 billion years.
Now unless somehow we can prove that earth was revolving at faster rate (which means that terrestrial year was only maybe 6 months long), there is no way that earth could have a lesser mass in the past than now.
Yeah that book (last para of page 112 continuing onto page 113) says something about the earth rotating faster but t'is all greek to me so I won't even attempt to decipher it! The expanded earth theory is rejected for this very reason... that it has not or cannot be proven that the earth had lesser mass.
What I'm confused about is the reduced gravity theory... what are your thoughts about that? Is today's gravity the same as it's always been?
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What I'm confused about is the reduced gravity theory... what are your thoughts about that? Is today's gravity the same as it's always been?
So we know that
g=Gm/r^2
where capital G is a universal constant. So for g (gravity) to be less, either mass should be less or radius should be more. IT is possible that when earth was in molten form, its radius was more. But we are talking about existence of life era, for which, earth needed to be in solid form with water and oxygen around (as we have it now).
It just does not make common sense that earth, after solidifying and having atmosphere and water, kept changing its size or mass.
Take example of moon. For moon to have 83 % of earth's gravity, it had to have 1/4th of earth's size. Also, just 17% loss in gravity made moon unable to hold oxygen for the life to survive. So if earth had any less gravity, first it mass had to be much lesser than current, plus earth would not have any atmosphere which eliminated any giants or non-giants to survive anyways. SO the fact that animals were living (giants) means that earth had same gravity and mass
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So we're back to square one then... if everything was the same back then, how did the gigantic creatures (which we know existed due to the discovery of fossils) manage to move around, even fly, and not break their bones when landing or die from a single fall. That was your initial question.
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they had bodies structured for their size. humans have bodies - connective tissue, muscles, blood pressure, etc - designed for our current height range. you can't simply click and stretch the same design and expect it to work at a larger scale as the effect of gravity would be disastrous.
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What queer said, plus the fact that dinosaur fatalities because of tripping over was very common. So their size had disadvantage. Did not you see my post in this thread where I mentioned the life expectancy of avg dinosaur?
Now how could they fly? We have 747's and A380's flying all over the place. You dont need less gravity to do that.
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Fair enough. If giant humans never existed, they never existed.
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and I am sorry for being anal, but Hazrat Adam was 60 feet and we are 6 feet tall and according to interpretations given by all brothers in this thread, there were 50 feet tall generations and then 40, 30, 20 and 10 feet tall generations. We found fossils of dinosaurs that came before humans evolved (I belive that Hazrat Adam was sent to this world after the end of Dinosaurs era), but we were never able to find a 20 feet tall human fossil.
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Peace MS,
The Book Pertaining to Paradise, Its Description, Its Bounties and Its Intimates (Kitab Al-Jannat wa Sifat Naimiha wa Ahliha)’ of Sahih Muslim. Hadith No. 6809.
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger 
as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day.
What do you mean by saying Christian belief
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Hi guys, i dint knew so many comments got posted on this thread. Those who liked it 
thank you and for those whom have issues regarding believing all this, you all have confusion because lack of knowledge, rather than discussing all about this here on the forum, why dont you guys open the Quran, read Sahi-Hadees o and especially Kassas-Al-Ambia, you will get all your answers and i think we all should know about our religion, history :). By this i don’t mean I am the one with all the knowledge here. And to help you with regarding Hazrat Adam size, i am starting another thread regarding graves, do check that out, surely you will find your answers and all confusion will end
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Soooo...was the Giant Hazrat Adam created before or after Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Neanderthals etc.? Pretty much all known "Humanlike" species were smaller than the humans are now...Is there a chance that the mentioned height of Adam (PBUH) has a metaphorical meaning?
Peace Zapatista,
Plz tell me what is islamic and unislamic in it.
Moreover if the same in fact in many bollywood, hollywood movies they shown such tallest characters and those movies were 'hit movies' rather than labeling as hhypocrite.
Huh? What? I don't know what you are ranting about. What i meant was wasting cloth...
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Peace Zapatista,
Where these Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis and Neanderthals were mentioned?