Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Appeal to Pakistanis: Please do all to keep our country tidy from world renowned past corrupts NS and BB and all those who are contesting election under their banner: These two mega corrupts ‘NS and BB’ are infected with disease and their disease is corruption, nepotism, misconduct misuse of power, destruction of Pakistan and power. There only purpose in life is to make poor Pakistanis fool and to loot and plunder Pakistani wealth.
Thinking about them crooks (Asif Ali Zardari, Bai-Nazeer Bhutto, Nawaz Shareef) I have few lines about them:

hon gay badnaam tou kiya naam na hou gaa?
Karayin gay chori tou kiya ilzaam na hou gaa?

Mashhoor huay yea jo zamanay may her su
Naam Pakistan ka kiya badmaam na hou gaa?

Chorie hay nishani in thug shobdaybazo kee
Kiya monh apna kala yea anjaam na hou gaa?

Actually, I am not supporter of any crook politicians nor have any grudge with them. I do understand that Chaudhari may be corrupt too, but compare to these two mega corrupts, they could not be more than petty thieves. So, don’t get fooled by comparing and considering equal petty thieves with world renowned mega corrupts like NS and BB. On the other hand, read Transparency International report on corruption (I am including here) to judge yourself.

I am concerned, as my problem is them mega corrupts, not only because Pakistan has suffered in past, but by being Pakistani and having plenty of emotional as well as financial interest in Pakistan, I suffered too.

I would not go on stories though I know many stories about NS as well as BB, worse than a person can think. For instance, Shareef kee bhatti may puray train kay nayea injaan gayeb hou jatay thay … and that … all manhole covers of Lahore use to disappear in the bhatti of Shareef. Similarly Zardari (on behalf of BB) putting bomb on legs of British businessman to get his money out of bank to give him, or that Zardari forcefully stealing cars of others if that car he liked, or for that matter, looting truck load of used Bank notes and looting and transferring artefacts from Pakistani Museums and transferring it abroad … … Forget those stories (even though most are true), let see some concrete reasons to recognise true faces of NS and BB.

There are 100s of references about corruption of both NS and BB, not from Pakistani media but from respectable western media (and governments). We should remember that Western media, especially British Media would never accuse anyone of corruption without proof, because they can be sued on ‘defamation charges’ and have to pay heavy compensation. Whatever I am putting here (except American senate report and Transparency International report, for that I have given their own site and not referring to some secondary sites) are all from British media. If anyone has doubt about that and live in UK, they can go to library and call for all the papers I mentioned and see that there, first hand. I am putting references here so that people can make up own mind.

[As for Pakistani media, we know that they earn their living by defaming others and getting paid for that, and that is why for instance, GEO is so reluctant to sign defamation and responsibility clauses of PEMRA. Though I can see that some who signed are still doing irresponsible journalism and defamation without any proofs]

BeNazir and Zardari, master of corrupts: These two are such corrupts that USA used their corruption in Senate report as an example to change American banking law. What a name they gave to Pakistan … a country that produces world class top thugs and still Pakistani Paindus vote for them.

Senate report mentions ‘four cases of world mega corrupt crooks’ that did mega corruption while in office as ‘head of state or being close relative to them’ and used city bank to launder their ill gotten money. Amongst them were:

One: Salinas case (brothers of Carlos Salinas, president of Mexico)
Two: Zardari case (where along with him, Bai-Nazeer Bhutto and her mother names are also mentioned)
Three: Omar Bongo, president of Gabon
Four: Abacha family, children of Nigerian leader General Sani Abacha

[If you will read carefully above senate report as I did, you will find how respectable Shaukat Aziz was considered by his employer. He was amongst top position of an institute (City Bank) more than 10 times bigger than Pakistan with immense power in that institute and had power to do corruption much more than Prime Minister of Pakistan or any country (if he was a corrupt person … but than if he was corrupt, he would not have reached to that level where he reached). He left City Bank when he was on line to become the head of City Bank where his one nod could have given billions of dollars loan to others, unquestioned].

**From: The Sunday Times 12-04-1998 regarding BB and Zardari corruptions: **

http://www.mqm.com/bb-booty-times-1998-04-12.htm

’Sunday Times (UK) of 23 Feb 1997’ claims that Zardari was involved in drugs trafficking too.

Abstract from Sunday Times (23-2-1997):
**Pakistan: Drug sting on Bhutto’s husband: **The husband of Benazir Bhutto, deposed prime minister of Pakistan was targeted in an undercover drug sting by American government investigators working alongside a British Scotland Yard informant. Pretending to represent the American mafia, John Banks claimed to have secretly recorded five hours of conversations with her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, discussing how drugs were going to be shipped. Banks claims the investigation was halted when the CIA said it did not wish to destabilise Pakistan.

[If anyone is in London, they can go to Colindale tube station and in front there is library where they can get all past news papers, including one below]:.

Nawaz Shareef: Certainly he was less corrupt than BB and Zardari but still was mega corrupt. There was many hours long TV documentary on his corruptions in British TV media. A story of his Raiwand Palace was also aired on British Media and showed how Nawaz used tax payer money to develop and refurbished his personal palace and the area to boost his Raiwand investments. Nawaz other exploits are also shown and also how he stole moved many millions of dollars abroad, belonging to Pakistani poor.
Read the ‘Karnama’ of Nawaz:

Guardian (UK) 24 October 1999 analysis regarding Nawaz Shareef corruptions, atrocities on others, plus freedom of press:

Nawaz ways of corruption was devious as well as ingenious. One fine story includes him reducing custom duty on BMW for a day and during that day his cronies imported 100s of BMWs for showroom, thus stealing money in this way from treasury. How it works? Let say a BMW costs 25 lac rupees in west. Custom duty in Pakistan is let say 75 lac rupees. In market BMW sells for let say 110 lac. A normal merchant after all costs would profit around 5 lac on each BMW. Nawaz and his cronies on behalf of Nawaz paid 10 lac duty instead of 75 lac (because for that particular day Nawaz reduced the duty that going to normal after all cars cleared … One day). Thus BMW cost ‘him and his involved crook Minister’ 35 lac (not 100 lac what it should cost). Price to sell would be same, 110 lac. Thus, these crooks instead of making profit of 5 lac, made 70 lac profits (out of those 70 lac, 65 lac was because of stealing custom duties on each car. On 100 cars, it means he stole 65 crore of people’s money).

Transparency International: Well, Transparency International did corruption survey in Pakistan between periods of different rulers. Even though it is human nature that people forget minor corruptions of past rulers as time passes, still NS and BB corruption was so overwhelming that people still remembered their periods as most corrupt, and certainly considered Musharraf period as period of Angel in respect to ‘NS and BB’.

Anyhow, crooks supporters (including many famous ‘bikao maal’ journalists of almost all famous media outlet) tried to twist the survey report so unabashedly (bay-sharmee kay saath) that Transparency International got embarrassed and felt need to clarify their survey report, because corrupts were making media twisting the figures. Here is transparency site:

www.transparency.org.pk

Go to their box 8th from the bottom:
Box title: National corruption perception survey 2006 & 2002
You can read all of them but specially:
Press release Clarification of NCPS 2006 (22 September 2006)
(NCPS = National corruption perception Survey)

What was the question and result?
Question: Who amongst these regimes is/was most corrupts?

Results:
This is the answer what Transparency Internaltion got:
48.7 percent said that BeNazir period was most corrupt.
43.03 percent said that Nawaz period was most corrupt.

3.17 percent said that Musharraf period is most corrupt.
2.17 percent said that Ayub period was most corrupt.
1.53 percent said that Zia period was most corrupt.
1.4 percent said that Z. Bhutto period was most corrupt.

Just look at figures of BeNazir and Nawaz … than compare that with Musharraf and you will notice that it is difference of sky with earth. **You can see that compare to BB and NS, present regime is negligible corrupt. **

**Transparency International survey found that 91.73 percent believe that periods of ‘NS and BB’ was most corrupt period Pakistan has ever seen. Whereas even though Musharraf rule is current and many supporters of ‘NS and BB’ plus ‘so-called Jihadis’ wants Musharraf government to be shown as bad and corrupt, still only 3.17 percent preceived that Musharraf government is corrupt. **

Now … Pakistan is my country as much as yours. So, it is our duty to keep Pakistan saved from world renowned crooks and thugs… and I hope that we should do the same :slight_smile:

[In the end:
Kahtaa hoon sach kay jhoot kee aadat nahie mujhay
Lag jayea bura kuch ko tou may kiya karyoon :slight_smile: ]

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

^You should address this to Mush. Who didn't believe in this nonsense and issued NRO clearing them of all the charges. And yes MQM killers have also took full advantage of this illegal document. Just keep this in your mind.

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

NS is history. BB/PPP no longer have the votebank of the past. Nothing to worry about, people of Pakistan will not be fooled by them again.

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Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out … they are diseased

Watch this video of Nawaz family karnamay. The video is from British Asian TV (DM) that these days are singing song of NS, shows how payment by NS from his illegally obtained wealth changes thing, buy corrupt media, and are used to fool innocent Pakistanis:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1245536&fr=

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

So Saleem, what do you have to say about people like Pervez Elahi, and Chaudhry Shujaat? Also why are you so worried, its a rigged election dude, it doesnt matter who the people vote for.

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Exactly. He is a big supporter of Mush and the MQM, who have only increased the corruption since BB/NS time.

His 'appeal' fools no one

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out … they are diseased

Saleem let’s also condemn the killers of Hakim Saeed and Shaid Hamid…and the illegal President of Pakistan who dropped cases against the killers of these two gentlemen who suffered terrorism in the hands of these goons…

Let’s also condemn an absconder criminal Governor who personally dropped charges against these killings…

Enough is enough with your double standards…and support for terrorism against Pakistanis>>>

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/03/local1.htm

KARACHI: CM okays withdrawal of cases against MQM

By Tahir Siddiqui

KARACHI, Nov 2: The chief minister of Sindh, Dr Arbab Ghulam Rahim, has approved the withdrawal of over 1,300 criminal cases against leaders and workers of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

Well-placed sources told Dawn on Friday that the review board, formed by the Sindh government under the National Reconciliation Ordinance on Oct 9, had recommended the withdrawal of the cases after close scrutiny. These included 1,280 cases in Karachi, 40 from Mirpurkhas and 10 from Hyderabad.

They further explained that the review board, headed by Justice (Retd) Dr Ghaus Mohammed and comprising Sindh Law Secretary Ghulam Nabi and Advocate-General Khwaja Naveed as members, was still in the process of examining another 1,500 cases that might be recommended to the CM for withdrawal.

Reportedly, several of the cases approved for withdrawal involved leaders of the MQM, including its self-exiled chief Altaf Hussain who was declared an absconding accused in the highly-publicised murder case of former KESC chief Shahid Hamid.

Under Sub-section 3 of Section 2 of the National Reconciliation Ordinance, the review board is empowered to review the entire record of the cases pending against any person, including an absconding accused who is found to have been falsely involved for political reasons or through political victimisation.

As envisaged in the NRO, the board may review any case initiated between Jan 1, 1986 and Oct 12, 1999, and furnish recommendations to the government of Sindh regarding their withdrawal from prosecution or otherwise.

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Sure ... I am with you in that.

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and the illegal President of Pakistan who dropped cases against the killers of these two gentlemen who suffered terrorism in the hands of these goons...
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Believe me, I do not really know who killed them two (Hakim Saeen and Shahid Hamid) as I do not know of any names who got convicted of their killings, neither I claim that I get vahi to know their killers (I am not Gulam Mirza of Qadian).

As for illegal President ... who do you mean? I really do not know of any illegal President neither I know how a person could become illegal President? If you know how one can become illegal President, I would like to know, so that I can also become President ... and as long as I am considered President and can do all what President can do, than I will not mind if it would be illegal President. :D

Because ... to me, when a person walks with President protocol, talks and get accepted as words of President, People around him accept his orders as Presidential order, he lives in President house, Army solute him and obey him as they solute and obey President, World recognizes him and calls him and considers him President, than that person is legally President :)

Nevertheless, I was wondering if you meant illegal past Prime Ministers aka NS and BB ... Those who use to lie to contest election as they were always ineligible for election under Pakistani constitution (clause 62 and 63) and than when illegally elected in Assembly, use to harass people to become Prime Minister and than again use to become illegal by starting corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct, misuse of power and their only purpose was to loot, plunder and transfer Pakistan's wealth to their Swiss Bank account, while in office.

Anyhow, I am wondering that murder case on Zardari is withdrawn or not? He is accused of Murder of Sindh high court chief Justice and his son, Murtaza Bhutto and many others. I have also heard that Nawaz Shareef is accused of getting Hakim Saeed killed and Shahbaz is involved with killing of many, so what happened to their cases? Can you please let me know what happened to their cases?

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Supporters of Altaf Hussain appealing against corruption!

Good joke.

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Again showing double standards Saleem....I am with you in condemning all the NS and BB wrong doings....and thanks for all the research you have done on Swiss Bank accounts....

Dec 13, 1998

Another accused in Hakim Said murder case and an alleged assassin of Zuhair Akram Nadim arrested in two raids conducted by Surjani Town police and CIA Sadar respectively. Two more alleged accomplices were also arrested on being pointed by Asim, reportedly an accused in the Hakim Said murder case on a tip off police cordoned off some parts of Sector L-1 in Surjani Town of District West from where Asim was arrested. Korangi police arrested Zubair alias Landhi Wala, who according to polices has confessed his involvement in the killing saying that Asim was the first to open fire at Hakim Said from a KK rifle. On the information given by Asim raids conducted in Yousuf Goth, Surjani and Sher Shah areas. Shujauddin alias Shujoo and Habib Ullah arrested.

The main accused in Hakim Saeed case are Zulfiqar Haider, MQM MPA, Naushad alias Major Dandy, Shakir alias Langra. Zubair alias Landhi Wala, Asim, Ajzaz alias Wazir, Asif and Amirullah have been arrested. One person suspected to be Wahab Bandhani, who claims to be Hanif Kabarhi also arrested.

A CIA team raided a house in Sector 11 H, North Karachi from where Majid alias Mullah (also known as Sir) was arrested. He confessed to have killed Zuhkar Akram Nadim as well as PPP councillor and three Muslim Leaguers during interrogation, SSP CIA, Manzoor Mughal disclosed that in July 1998, terrorists belonging to Altaf Group met in Unit 77 Orangi Town where they finalised plans of assassinating Zuhair Akram Nadim' 'on July 1998, they gunned him down in Orangi when he was visiting an under construction building there. Earlier, they targeted three Muslim Leaguers near Fauji Hotel also. In May 1995 they killed Salahuddin alias Saloo, PPP Advisory Councillor and in September they killed Shahid alias Sarphata, a member of PMRC. Another alleged terrorist of MQM Aslam alias Chapta reported to be a close associate of most wanted Ajmal Pahari was arrested in Jalalabad. SHO Gulbahar Mohammad Aslam told that on a tip off, they raided a hideout located behind Subhan Bakery in Jalalabad where terrorists were hiding. The terrorists opened fire at police but retaliatory firing by police force them to flee. However, one of them, Aslam Chapta was arrested. One Kalashinkov, one 7 mm rifle, two repeaters and 3 TT pistols were recovered. Police said that Aslam Chapta was a member of Unit 18 and also was an honorary member of 'Moazzazin' committee.

SHO Gulbahar claimed that during interrogation, Aslam told them that they were planning to get back the hold of Khajji Ground area of the orders of MQM chief Altaf Hussain. He confessed Ajmal Pahari Group was involved in the killing go Zuhair Akram Nadim, Zahiruddin Babar (Jama' at-I-Islami), three Muslim Leaguers and others. The SHO further claimed that Aslam told them that Altaf Hussain always issue orders through his Secretary, Nadim Nusrat who asked Shoaib Bukhari, MQM MPA, to convey the orders to them. He also confessed to have assaulted two women whom they killed after gang rape and threw their bodies in Manghopier area. --- (Nation Dec 14,1998).

Dec 15, 1998

The arms used by terrorists to murder Hakim Mohammad Said recovered from a nullah near Burns Road on the pointation of an arrest accused namely Nadeem Mota, Korangi police have arrested three alleged terrorists said to be close associate of Aijaz alias Kala Munna named in over 200 heinous cases. A team of Rangers in Korangi recovered a considerable quantity of arms and ammunition. The enquiry officer of Hakim Mohammad Said case, SP Agha Mohammad Tahir ordered a raid when Nadim Mota during interrogation told the arms dumped near nullah behind Sindh secretariat. The arms seized from there included four Kalashinkovs, three TT pistols, one mauser and 300 bullets of KK rifle and pistols. --- (Nation Dec 16, 1998).

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Actually some of our valued forum members do not want to post their jokes in Jokes forum I request the mods to rename this forum as:

"Politics, economics and jokes".....

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Aap tou ayesay kah rahay hain jaisay … interrogation by Pakistan police can be trusted :).

I do believe that most Pakistani political parties are involved in terrorist activities against their opponents as this started by Ayub Khan and went to height by Z A Bhutto. But than to accept police interrogation is living in fool paradise.

Just look at the hanging of Bhutto. Even though proof of Bhutto involvement in killing of his political opponents were well accepted, more obvious, and many suffered in his hand, but still Pakistan is divided on his hanging (on Kasuri case) because people are there from both PPP and outside PPP who rejects the investigation of Pakistani police, Pakistan government, and even Court Verdicts, because such investigations and interrogations are never reliable.

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Again showing double standards Saleem....why can't you simply condemn the killings done by MQM....instead of giving all the crap about Ayub Khan killings and Bhutto killings>>>>

Aur main nahey keh raha....I am just pasting the news clippings from that time regarding arrest of suspects and recovery of arms used in the murder....and withdrawl of murder cases by present government...

Re: Appeal to Pakistanis: Keep world renowned Mega corrupts out ... they are diseased

Bhai ... when did I condoned the killing of MQM or for that matter any Pakistan political parties?

I condemn all political killings in Pakistan by any party, irrespective of who they are, what they are, and how they did the killing. Irrespective of if they have done the killings of their political opponents while in Power … like Bhutto of Baloch (Maris and Mengals), Yahya of Bengalis, Ayub, NS and BB of Muhajirs … or while out of power … like MQM, JI, PPI, JS, ANP and many other parties.

Now I am sure you also condemn killings in Pakistan of political opponents on any basis. Fine? :)

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Thanks.....after so much reluctance....atleast today for the first time you are condemning the wrong doings of anybody for any reason what so ever>>>

I hope you will keep up your principled stand...

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I'm not sure if it really matters, and I'm not big fan of ZAB, but his hanging had lot to do with politics than justice. That is a very well established fact. Zia could not afford to see ZAB coming back to power, and knowing his arrogant attitude, Zia would've faced hangman's neuse...so he decided to eliminate ZAB.

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Brother, believe me ... I have same feelings always. You can check my past posts and you will not find me condoning killings by any political parties of their opponents. Only difference is that I do not wear any ethnic glass so that one killing seems fine to me and other not.

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....and for this reason every Pakistani should support independant free judiciary without any executive control....and condemn any one who breaks the law....and supresses judiciary>>>

Darkest examples in our history are Zia ul Haq and Musharraf...

Had hanging of Bhutto been a decision by free judiciary (and not a PCO judiciary) without any manuplation by Zia ul Haq....there wouldn't have been any doubt whatsoever in anyone's mind regarding the fairness of that decision....

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Well, people will see things the way they would like to see. If court would have left Bhutto alive, than also I do not think that Bhutto could have done anything to Zia (with army behind Zia) even if Bhutto had come to power again. [First of all, if Zia (and army) had decided, Bhutto would never have come to power, but even if he had … still I do not think that Bhutto could have done much to Zia, because Pakistan army institution is too strong for any politician to punish military general and get away with it]. If you think differently than it is your opinion.