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I also know an Indian guy named Adolph.
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One of my cousins living in Australia had a child in 2000. She named him Osama. His face seems to be a photocopy of Osama bin laden's face in childhood. Even at very small age he likes toy guns. And his date of birth is 11 septenber.
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coming back to topic....A name is a name...except when it becomes a badname..
As they say..."bad achha badnam buraa"..
....meaning..."it's better to be a bad man than to live with a bad name"!!
So I think...there is NO harm being a responsible parent while avoid using names which are presumed to "bad", just for the sake of kids future and keeping newborn away from controversy.
In fact there must be thousands of other names still available for use which having even better meaning and ethics than so called Holy Wars or Struggles or "Hit"lers, Osamas etc.
Or is it one more way of cheap publicity stunt in western media by this parent in above news??
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I think we shall all pray that in future no terrorist should show up whose name is similar to our, otherwise we would have to change our name. I already feel sorry for people who named their children as osama even before Osama bin laden became notorious. But, I don't feel sorry for anyone whose name is "Bush" because I know in that case people won't give "importance" to name :)
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^.....in fact the news in the thread is not about thousands of people who already have such names.
It's about a parent who is ready to challenge in court to keep the name for his newborn, as if he has completely erased from his memory all other names and only this name can make or break his baby's life..
Clearly one can notice who is in fault here...Western government or this so called parent who will even not spare his newborn baby for the sake of cheap publicity and creating sensation!
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Imagine people choosing names like Ravan, Kumbhkaran, Meghnad, Duryodhan, Kaikeyi, Manthara, Shikhandi et al from Ramayan and Mahabharat for their children....
The easiest way to make a child butt of jokes in the class and hence give him/her emotional scars.
Parents in this case need to think sensibly.
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Mr Seyam, 47, a self-declared Islamist, was shown on television this week presenting his son. Grinning into the camera, Jihad on his knee, he said: "You had barely come into the world and you were in court. Your fight has already begun."
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I don't see the point of all this. Self-declared islamists should be sent to jail.
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The examples you’ve given above in comparison to word ’ jihad ’ are out of contaxt…
Ravana…a villain with ten heads
Kumbhkaran…ravan’s brother a demon
Meghnad…one of the villain of Ramayana
Dutyodhan…another bady from Mahabharat
Kaikeyi…wicked woman, mother of bharata
Manthara…kaikeyi’s maid
shikhandi…an eunuch in mahabharat
’ jihad ’ is not a word of a charachter or a person…jihad means to struggle.
It is an Arabic word the root of which is Jahada, which means to strive for a better way of life. The nouns are Juhd, Mujahid, Jihad, and Ijtihad. The other meanings are: endeavor, strain, exertion, effort, diligence, fighting to defend one’s life, land, and religion.
Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in Islam nor will Islam allow its followers to be involved in a Holy War. The latter refers to the Holy War of the Crusaders.
Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it. It should never be interpreted as a way of compulsion of the belief on others, since there is an explicit verse in the Qur’an that says:“There is no compulsion in religion” Al-Qur’an: Al-Baqarah (2:256).
Jihad is not a defensive war only, but a war against any unjust regime. If such a regime exists, a war is to be waged against the leaders, but not against the people of that country. People should be freed from the unjust regimes and influences so that they can freely choose to believe in Allah.
Not only in peace but also in war Islam prohibits terrorism, kidnapping, and hijacking, when carried against civilians. Whoever commits such violations is considered a murderer in Islam, and is to be punished by the Islamic state. during wars, Islam prohibits Muslim soldiers from harming civilians, women, children, elderly, and the religious men like priests and rabies. It also prohibits cutting down trees and destroying civilian constructions.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/glossary/term.JIHAD.html
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I don't see the point of all this. Self-declared islamists should be sent to jail.
i'm sure that there is not a single muslim in this world who calls himself 'self declared islamist ' . the newspaper or the person who wrote the article is blatantly lying.
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Yes I totally agree with you. Jihad also means inner struggle but one should also take into consideration the perception associated with it.
Today the term 'Jihad' carries a bad perceptiomn hence it should not be used for naming a person.
The names I have suggested also were acceptable during ancient times but because of completely unethical acts of these characters low perception got associated with them hence nobody uses theses names.
Connotations change over time. Several decades ago terms like idiot, imbecile and moron were established as neutral terms for defining toddler, preschool and primaryschool mental ages (based on the IQ levels) but today these are seen as offensive.
Imagine a teacher saying "my kindergarten school is full of idiots and morons" :)
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you're right...thats what i wrote in the start...above.
but i think by giving name jihad to his son ....may be he wants to finish that association .....i think he took a good step to realize others that jihad has a good meaning.
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^...but still my basic question related with this topic is unanswered...
is Jihad the only name available for this parent's newborn or there are hundereds of other "peaceful" names still available which can be equal to or better than this holy struggle kind of names??
Is this parent truelly interested in propagating his religious belief or is he using his newborn baby as a tool to create sensation and cheap publicity??
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So you are suggesting that all the names/terms I have mentioned should be made acceptable to the society…
*No..I beg to differ from you. Kid’s parents are not doing the right thing.
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No let’s make it easy for you. Your names were out of context therefore should not be used for the reasons you gave. Jihad is not a negative term, the media have hijacked this term and it is about time Muslims show that it is a good term good enough to name your child with it.
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No let's make it easy for you. Your names were out of context therefore should not be used for the reasons you gave. Jihad is not a negative term, the media have hijacked this term and it is about time Muslims show that it is a good term good enough to name your child with it.
Jihad is not a negative term but has a negative perception associated with it hence it should not be used for naming a person. *
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The names I gave don't have bad meanings either but have negative perception.
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First of all jihad is already a common muslim name. Next do you not think it is about time to reclaim a positive term's positive perception?
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First of all jihad is already a common muslim name. Next do you not think it is about time to reclaim a positive term's positive perception?
I haven't come across this name...my profound apologies. *
*But then timing of choosing this name is not right..don't you think so ?
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I think this the best timing as the issue of Jihad requires clarification more than it has ever been required in history.
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My aunt's 12 year old kid is named Mohammad Osama. Recently they moved to the US and there was a bit of a concern when the kid joined a school. The principal of the school was obviously concerned but for the sake of the child himself, as he might become a victim of taunts etc. He is still called osama at home but his official first name is now just Mohammad.
I think its fair to be concerned. On one side we do have the right to argue that what another same-named person did shoudl not dictate how we treat than name. But then its also important to be logical and think about the kid too and the difficulties he/she will face growing up.
I find it very sad that the swastika is now an official sign of racism, when it has been in use by the hindu religion for centuries. Just because a racist nut decides to use that sign for himself should not make that sign itself racist.
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Sardar mujhe goli maar do ab main jirah nahin kar sakta:shikari: