Appeal Over Baby Named Jihad

Appeal Over Baby Named Jihad

The German interior ministry is appealing against a decision by the Berlin authorities to allow an Islamist to name his son Jihad, the Arabic word used for holy war.

Reda Seyam fought for 18 months for permission to give his sixth child the name after the registry in the Berlin district of Charlottenburg initially rejected his application, saying the name was inappropriate because of its association with terrorism, and “may endanger the child”.

This week a court overturned the ruling, on the grounds that Jihad was “a recognised male forename in the Arab world and loved by Muslims”.

Mr Seyam, 47, a self-declared Islamist, was shown on television this week presenting his son. Grinning into the camera, Jihad on his knee, he said: “You had barely come into the world and you were in court. Your fight has already begun.”

In the same programme he defended the terror attacks on the United States on September 11 2001, and on Bali in 2002.

Germany has strict rules governing the naming of children. Parents have to choose from a list of court-approved names, to prevent a child from becoming a victim of ridicule or confusion. The names Hitler and Stalin are banned, and in 2002 a Turkish couple living in Germany were denied permission to name their child Osama bin Laden.

Berlin’s interior minister, Erhart Körting, said a court that allowed “a father who has welcomed al-Qaida attacks to name his child in this way has underestimated in an appallingly naive manner the meaning of this name”.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/ar...023810,00.html

Comment:

So it seems to name your child after cartoon characters, George Bush or Tony Blair is ok. But to name them based on Islamic terms like " Jihad" or even Usamah Bin Laden is not allowed. Even names like Adolph Hitlet and Stalin are also banned.

Hard to believe that all this is happening in Europe in 2007 which is supposed to be a place of freedom and the right to act and do as u please, but obviously not for certain sections of its citizens.

We have had western politicians dictating to Muslim women what they can and cannot wear and now we have them telling us what we can and cannot call our children. Names like Hitler and Stalin have been banned, yet western politicians are behaving exactly like those two despots did.

I disagree with glorifying 9/11 and Bali attacks, but surely people are entitled to free thought and opinions based on their ideological inclinations?

Or is this the beginning of thought control in Europe?

Quite funny that Europeans ask Muslims to have a reformation which they went through in the middle ages when they divided church from state because it was dictating to people what they could and could not think about and yet they are doing the same thing , this time in the name of Secularism.

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I would'nt name my children jihad,al qaeda ,ussamah bin laden,saddam hussain,....not bcoz i believe in theories(created by western media) behind these names but bcoz I don't want others to make fun of my children.

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I agree with u, but should parents not have the right to choose names they prefer?

Also many non-Muslims call their kids peaches, Britney, Bart, etc I am sure someone can mention many names which will definelty lead to the kids being bullied etc, why has no one mentioned this?

Why is it when Muslims want to name thier kids certain names we see a big fuss?
Thats the point of discussion which i have raised.

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Correction....The word Jihad does not mean "Holy War" There is no such thing as "Harb ul Muqaddasa" in Islam. Jihad is a very broad concept meaning struggle and its peak is Qitaal. The word Holy War was invented for Crusades.

Amazed, how first we Muslims fool ourselves and then non-Muslims fool us also.

Just wanted to point out something (although besides the topic) important!

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well, it shows the ignorance and fear of German ministers.They are afraid of word 'jihad' bcoz they think it means holy war...they don't know it also means 'struggle'.Mr seyam has done a brave and good thing ....I suppose.
So German ministers are just Ignorant.....
the only thing i'm bothered is about the newspaper calling Mr seyam 'an islamist'.....whats the difference between an islamist and a muslim?

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The name Jihad should be allowed (in the U.S. and is). I do feel bad for this particluar baby though as his father wants to use him as a political tool who should be put on a watch list and picked up as soon as he fk's up because he will, if the father wasn't openly supporting terror the name Jihad may have been allowed it sounds like. Germany has it's rules for a reason which have been discussed extensively in prior threads.

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yeah the kid should not be used as a political tool for his daddy.

a name is a name. I still dont understand why they dont allow other names in germany, is it shame? what happened to ppl who had a last name of hitler, did they have to pick up new names. If we start banning names because of what somsone with that name stands for than where do we stop, mass murderers, drug barons, terrorists, etc.. kinda screwy.

But in the end the country has its laws, he can challenge them in the court of law, and if he wins he wins, if he loses he loses and lives with it.

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Fraudia, I agree it seems like a foreign concept for us in the U.S....this restriction, but when a country commits genocide the rules change a bit for better or worse.

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^ Ahem, you may want to ask the native Indians about "genocide"?

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its like the guy wants his kid to grow up demented and beat up everyday by 25 kids.

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And it could be debated. They certainly were on the short end of the stick in warfare. Was the point to destroy the Indians or was it a battle for land? Tribes afterall fought one another for land as well. The connotation of genocide in my mind is the intentional destruction of a people for the sake of racial or ethnic differences. The U.S. war against them was really just about their land...but the U.S. also thought they were a subhuman race. Basically
lebensraum, a nazi cornerstone, so I'd be on the side that says genocide was committed.

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By the way there also seems to be an un-written Law in all of Christian Countries................


No Babies are Named JESUS


**except in Mexico I have seen boys named Jesus, but thay are never called Jesus but pronounced "Heysus"...........:) **

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How about allowing a Christian name his son as "Crusade" in Peshawar? may be when he grows up he can open a "Crusade Paan Shop" or "Crusade Bacon and Omelete Corner".:)

forget it. A christian in Peshawar won't even have the guts to do so knowing his surroundings better. Mr Seyem is naming his son Jihad knowing that Germans will bend over and let him do so in their self hating political correctness.

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sure man..he can even open a crusade dawa khana, i am okay with it.

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This whole case is only gonna cause more muslim germans to name their kids Jihad and Osama

And muslims wonder why they are associated with extremism

If you saw a white guy naming his kid Hitler, wouldn't you think the guy is a Nazi?

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No i wouldnt, because the name Hitler existed before the Hitler u are referring to made it infamous and its only a name, not a declaration of war.

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:bizz::bizz:

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A very interesting reply from a non-Muslim on another forum in relation to this thread

"Just thought id add that my Grandfather’s brother is Orthodox Christian and he is named Jihad. its not just loved by Muslims, its an arabic name and that article is ludacris…

Not just Jihad, my Christian family have many war names including “Difah” which means Defence and “Kifah” same meaning… and my name is “Nedal” meaning struggle for freedom…

I wonder if this would be an issue if it was a Chritian naming thier son Jihad… hmmmm dont think so! "

http://forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?showtopic=32310

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^ I know a christian labanese civil engineer in Abu Dhabi with a name Jihad.

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Knew guys named Adolf.

Jihad and Osama were common names prior to 9/11, and so Muslims shouldn't do squat-all to placate bigots.