Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
The only way to achieve peace is by having two equally matched parties....if one party has an upper hand then there cannot be any peace....losing the was is maybe the best thing that could have happened to Israel.
If they become serious about peace then it is great for everyone...if they think that there is a military solution then they are mistaken....and many more of them will die before peace can be established.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Hardly. Not a bit of Israeli territory was taken. They were not pushed into the sea. Hizbullah had no offensive operations, they were defensive, and counter-punching. Israel can almost certainly defeat Hizbullah, given some time, and some casualties. They will adapt in remarkably fast order, and if they had to fight in 30 days, Hizbullah would be decimated.
haha someone's been telling you porkies. did Hezbollah claim it wanted to take Israel's territory?
As for defeating hizbullah, how much time do you want? they lost back in 2000, and again 2006...will a couple more decades suffice? i mean considering their 30,000 couldnt get to 1000 hezbullah men, and considering hezbollah hadnt yet comitted their professional troops before the ceasefire, and considering israel is already in political turmoil, how many more soldiers do you think israel will need?
admit it OG, your one hell of a sore loser. your on a sinking ship clutching on to the mast.
i think your taking it really badly, all the expectations took a U turn, imagine how the IDF's must be feeling, but its ok you know,...time will heal...chin up.:)
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Hezbollah Zindabad!
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
I find two things utterly pathetic at this moment.
1) The thought of self-hating and apologetic muslims. How can you be 'embarassed' that people are claiming victory for Hezbollah? If anyone should be embarassed, it's Ehud Olmert and the Zionist clowns who specifically said that Hezbollah would be faced with "very, very" harsh consequences and that they would be "wiped out." Well, that clearly did not happen. Israel was unable to deploy its 30,000 troops to the Litani River... those "daring raids" that CNN reported were b.s. sources show. Their army were a bunch of cowards, as reports from southern Lebanon said that villagers saw Israeli soldiers "screaming like dogs" when Hezbollah would fire at them.
Fact of the matter is, Hezbollah's limited capacity resistance with about 3000 troops and ww2 technology were able to resist an army that claims it is one of the strongest on earth with its sophisticated cowardly air and sea weapons.
If you want to have a fair battle, have the IDF send 3000 of its troops to fight Hezbollah, and we shall see what happens. Any idiot can tell you the result of that.
2) The Zionist [edited]suckers that are trying to come up with excuses, such as "Oh, well Hezbollah has lost because of international pressure", or "IDF didn't use all of its force because of public pressure". Give me a break.
Hezbollah today is stronger than ever. Be it within Shia's, Sunni's, Druze, Christians, atheists, etc... it doesn't matter. People in Lebanon and the Arab world are well aware that Hezbollah were able to resist Israel's powerful army.
I find it pathetic that you losers have to portray Sheikh Nasrallah as if he's an ignorant fool that has no idea of politics. If you understood Arabic and ever watched his speeches in their entirety (not the CNN or FOX translated b.s. that only shows you what they want you to), you'd realize how educated, bright, and brilliant he really is.
He's no agressive moron like Olmert, Bush, or Bin Laden. He is today's Che Guevara because he stands up for his people. Grow up and take a loss like an adult.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Still living in same arrogance... decimated in 30 days?
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Israel will spend a lot more on the military, improve training, oust some intelligence staff who screwed up, and get leaders who can do things the old fashioned way.
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Do you think Hezb will sit down quietly playing with thumbs?
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In the end a moment of pride is really pretty meaningless.
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Pride? Ask Israeli population and military personnel about pride... esp pre war pride and post-war pride and how it affects them.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
<Do you think Hezb will sit down quietly playing with thumbs?
:D
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Word uppppp! :)
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
I think you mistake survival for pride. The Israelis, more than any other country in the world are genuinely worried about their very existence. Unlike any other country in the world, they are surrounded by enemies who not only want them destroyed, but have tried on three separate occasions to actually destroy them and eliminate their country.
That makes the motivation for success quite different. Israel can ill afford to be perceived as weak. If they are perceived as wounded, the Arab countries around them will surely kill them. That is a powerful motivator. What you think is arrogance is a fierce need to survive. That is why I would never bet against the Israelis, nor should the Muslim world sell them short.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Wow. These genuine folks are the front-line of the illegal occupation of Palestine. The population of Israel support their illegal settlements in Palestine.
Are you aware of these illegal settlements? Because it seems you're mislead by the AmeriKKKan perception of the settlements (i.e. they are 'genuinely' part of Israel). Israel illegally occupies parts of West Bank and Gaza and create neighbourhoods there. Imagine a Canadian crossing over and coming into Ohio, and deciding to create a Canadian settlement close to Cincinnati, and creating checkpoints alongside this settlement to not allow people of Ohio to move around freely.
It is actually he Palestinians that are surrounded by enemies that want them destroyed, by robbing them of their natural resources (i.e. Agricutlure and water) and their economy... not to mention demolishing random houses in Gaza because they don't have proper 'housing permits' issued by the government of Israel. PLEASE explain to me the logic of that? Can I, as a Canadian, walk into your beautiful state of Ohio and break down your house to build my own house because you don't have a housing permit issued by MY government? The Israeli's are working really hard at destroying Palestine and its people.
Tell me... who is worried about their 'existance'...? The ones that have lush green lawns and swimming pools on their property, or the ones that are forced to live with 15 other people in a 1-bedroom house with a 70% unemployment rate? Answer that 'genuinely'.
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Israel can ill afford to be perceived as weak. If they are perceived as wounded, the Arab countries around them will surely kill them.
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Hahaha... which "arab country" will "kill them" ?? All countries except (Lebanon) and Syria are outright puppets of the Americans. Lets face it, Israel faces no threat from anyone other than Hezbollah. Also, why does Israel have a 'right' to show itself as powerful, but when Iran or Syria do the same, they are mocked as if they are 'instigating' something or are demonstrating 'lies'?
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What you think is arrogance is a fierce need to survive. That is why I would never bet against the Israelis.
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Wow. A need to survive? Survive what? Have you ever BEEN to Tel Aviv? Have you ever BEEN to Nabilus or anywhere else in the West Bank/Gaza? No. I bet you haven't.
Please don't tell me the Israeli's are struggling to survive. That's as arrogant as saying that a fat person is struggling to eat.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
OG, is a sane person, but would never admit that there is this occupation of millions of people by Israel. Those same arabs who are ready to kill the weak Israel, has in recent years offered the olive leaf to Israel, at least three times in last 5 years with security guarantees and recognition of Israel. But every one know that Israel, where it stands today, would never and could never end the occupation of west bank, thats is what Israel is, an occupying force. So as long as Israel wants to annex the west bank, there can be no peace in middle east. OG, you can keep on blaming Hizballah and Hamas for the aggression.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Are you aware of these illegal settlements? Because it seems you're mislead by the AmeriKKKan perception of the settlements (i.e. they are 'genuinely' part of Israel). Israel illegally occupies parts of West Bank and Gaza and create neighbourhoods there.
Settlements? Are you aware of how Israel gained the land for those settlements? Let's try not one, but three illegal wars trying to eliminate Israel. Israel traded land and settlements with Egypt and Jordan and has respected their territory ever since. Israel dismantled every settlement in Gaza a year ago. Instead of relieving tension, they get rockets and kidnappings. They leave Lebanon six years ago and they get rocketing and kidnapping. It seems whenever they give back land their neighbors attack them more.
I am thoroghly against the West Bank Settlements. But I really don't care if Isreal keeps that land or trades different land. And I would damn sure want a wall, as the Palestinians deserve a wall. If you start with the assumption, as I do, and as most Americans do, that the Israelis simply want their own country, and they want to live in peace, then you would look at the Palestinians a little differently. I do not believe that the Isrealis live to torment the Palestinians. They have done far more to pursue peace than any Palestinian. Arafat was a joke. A corrupt leader who raped the finances of his people and led them to perpetual war, abject poverty and horrible conditions. Beyond all else, I blame Arafat. But most Muslims cannot bring themselves to criticize an icon like Arafat, as it is so much more fun to blame the Jews than to look in a mirror.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
You are an idiot. I'm sorry, I just couldn't say it any more politely. Israel never GAIN land for their settlements. You have obviously never been to Palestine. I keep reiterating this because some of us have been there and seen the conditions with our own eyes. Your view of Palestine is the one shot through the American lens, a lens which is hugely influenced by Zionist lobby groups.
Israel occupies Palestinian terriroty whenever they wish. They create random checkpoints, called "Flying checkpoints"... basically what that means is that say you're in a city in Palestine and you wish to get to the downtown of that city. On your way, you will encounter an Israeli hummer with rude and arrogant soldiers that will ask you to identify yourself and keep you at their 'checkpoint' for at least one hour. Some of us have witnessed this first hand.
Also, once the Israeli's settle into Palestinian land (illegally might I add), they come and destroy Palestinian farms. Some of us have witnessed this with their own eyes. Some of us have also seen innocent, poor Palestinian families being evacuated from their house and watching their place get bulldozered down by Caterpillars.
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Instead of relieving tension, they get rockets and kidnappings.
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Are you forgetting the systematic assassianation of numerous families related to Hamas? Are you forgetting the beach bombings? Or the innocent women and children that are killed by IDF weekly? Please be reminded that the rockets are in retalliation for their actions... And kidnappings? What about Israeli kidnappings of numerous Fatah, PLO, Hamas members of parlaiment? These kidnappings have been occuring for 15 + years dude.
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They leave Lebanon six years ago and they get rocketing and kidnapping. It seems whenever they give back land their neighbors attack them more.
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Yes. The angelic Israeli's left ALL of Lebanon and never violated any airspace or borders at any time during that period. They also didn't kill innocent shepherds and civilians in the south during this time... Oh and it would be blasphemous to say that they kidnapped anyone during this time!! Because by God, Israel would never kidnap innocent doctors and politicians, would it ?
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I do not believe that the Isrealis live to torment the Palestinians. They have done far more to pursue peace than any Palestinian.
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Either you're young and naiive, or you're old and ignorant, because you clearly have no idea about various jewish terror groups right after the formation of Israel. In fact... do you know why Great Britian left Palestine in the 1940s in the first place? Because of a bomb set up by an extremist Jewish group. Oh No! I can't say extermist and jewish together, can I? Surely the word extremist is only to be used with "Muslims". Please look into the history, and PLEASE visit the country first before making any assumptions based on your bias FOX/CNN perspective. Israel has quite clearly tormented Palestinians, and they still do so til this day. Zionism is an outright racist ideology that belives that Jews are the chosen people of God and that anyone else is inferior to them. Not judaism... Zionism. Don't get it twisted. Sure, the Palestinians (politically) may not have done much to pursue peace (frankly I don't want to argue this with you right now), but what has Israel done? Withdrawing itself from an ALREADY illegal occupation of Gaza does not count. Building communities that block water supply to Palestine does not count. Creating random checkpoints so that families cannot see each other for MONTHS even if they live in the same city does not count.
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Arafat was a joke. A corrupt leader who raped the finances of his people and led them to perpetual war, abject poverty and horrible conditions.
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At least we can agree on this :).
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Beyond all else, I blame Arafat.
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Sure he is partly to blame. But beyond all else? Umm... what about the lovely and peaceful Palestinian-loving PM's Israel has had?
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But most Muslims cannot bring themselves to criticize an icon like Arafat, as it is so much more fun to blame the Jews than to look in a mirror.
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I've noticed your subtle 'punking' of Muslims on any opportunity you get. You clearly have something against Muslims. What you fail to realize is that what's being fed to you in your trust worthy media is hardly true. Muslims dont blame "jews"... Muslims blame Zionism.
Your media always shows that Iran 'hates jews' and wants them all 'dead', when they clearly say that the Zionist regime should be wiped off the map. This is no different from Israel claiming that Hezbollah should be 'wiped out', but no one dares to criticize that as being Islamophobic.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
You would be right. Except for one thing.
Israel has been at peace with Egypt and Jordan after wars. The respect territorial integrity, hell, half of Israel vacations in the Sinai, Egyptian territory, bringing prosperity to an otherwise godforsaken unihabitable patch of desert. In other words, there is proof that Israel can live in peace with their former enemies. Hizbullah and Hamas are pursuing a path of perpetual conflict. They are incapable of fathoming peace so long as Israel exists. Don't get me started on the concept of compromise.
I have no problems with Muslims. I have problems with the tactics they choose. I lived though the Achile Lauro, Munich, Palestinian hijackings 30 years ago. They gave birth to modern terror. Arafat brought a new realm of barbarism to this fight. I have no problem with what happened in Lebanon. It was a fight, a big firefight. Bravo, you guys won one, and it was the right way to fight.
9/11, Bali, Madrid, London, bombs and bombs and more bombs of innocents? Everyone of these that goes off intentionally targeting civilians in the name of Palestine, and I care less about Palestine. They have a valid cause and it is being pursued in a barbaric way which devalues the way the world views them. Their tactics make them less than deserving of a homeland, and the monsterous injustices that have been done in their name make me care less about legitimate justice for them. Get it?
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Egypt and Jordan are the biggest neo-conservative whores. But yes, being at peace with Israel is the most viable solution and sure Arafat didn't help curb that, but neither did Israel.
To say that only the Palestinians are to blame for the misery is wrong. Israel is just as accountable for the amount of damage done to the people of Palestine. I agree that they have had extremley corrupt leaders in the past (as have many other Muslim, Christian, Buddhist countries), but to focus on only the corrupt leaders is only looking at one end of the spectrum.
As for the radicalization of Islam... first of all, those terrorist acts are not committed in the name of Palestine. Secondly, majority of muslims do not agree with the terrorist mentality.
Muslims are generalized far more than any other demographic. Just because a white-trash in Alabama is an alcoholic and abuses his wife doesn't lead people to think that ALL white people are like him... yet with us, there's an exception.
Sure the religious authoroties are playing a large part in radicalizing Islam, but then again, which religious authority is NOT partly corrupt.
The Americans are using Muslims as their enemies to justify their "war on terror", just as they used communists during the cold war and vietnam war.