Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Correct, the alleged kidnapping was just an excuse, IDF wanted to show its power and wanted prove something (ability to wipe Hezbollah). It succeeded partly in showing its power i.e. power of destroying buildings/infrastructure but it couldn't prove power to wipe Hezbollah, heck it couldn've even manage to wipe Hezb's arsenal as they continued to throw rockets at 100+ per day
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
**Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
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thats a difficult one, …err… lemme think…**NO!
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what a daft question 
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
I don’t think Israel was foolish enough to think they would wipe them out. Inflict serious damage and move them off the border is more realistic. Hezbollahs next move will be telling. Will they be emboldened do you think?
A warmongers perspective would probably be better. What do you think Ma Mooli?
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
This is a victory because hezbullah were suppose to be wiped out in the first few weeks, they are still as strong as ever;
This is a victory because the lebenese public were suppose to turn against hezbullah, instead hezbollah enjoyed their support more than ever,
This is a victory because the two soldiers israel went in for and had promised to get back are still no where to be found,
This is a victory because the unexpected 118 IDF soldiers killed is a massive achievement when u compare the two, 30,000 against a mere 6000, the supposedly superior arms and armour, the air war that cut and isolated southern lebanon), despite that, israel suffered heavy losses,
This is a victory because the civilians they were suppose to be protecting are living in fear more than ever and have now turned against president olmert, who inturn has accepted his tactic deficiencies which led to this failiure.
so yeah cover it how you like, but things have backfired so seriously for israel that hezbollah can safely and quite confidently claim victory. infact they prolly acheived alot more than they'd bargained for.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
When you give statements like that in public then you are setting expectations from your public and if you don't accomplish that then your public will call you failure (just what is happening in Israel now).
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
wasnt a war between israel and muslims, but between israel and a militia group. As a muslim I am sad at the loss of life and the devastation faced by innocent civilians.
who cares who won, all I know is innocent lebanese people lost.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Not accurate. Israel has a combat strength of 600,000 if it calls up all of its reserves. Which is an economic disaster (since those men and women are the most economically productive part of the population) and only done when Israel is in danger of being wiped out.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
i care who won, this a war aganst injustice and oppression. every muslim should be caring about that.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
You're trying to make this a Muslim, non-Muslim issue, it isn't Ma Mooli.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
read mr fraudia's post # 27. im making a point on that.
besides read your title utd, arnt you making it a muslim v non muslim thing?
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
right and thats why I am not supporting any group thumbing their chests and claiming victory, thus I do not care about who won. what i do care about are the countless people who have lost their homes, their livelihoods, their family..
so should you, and so should every muslim, every human being.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Victory, yes Israel's credibility is in ruins. Its aura of invicibility gone. Its arrogance smashed. I am sure no one in Israel is saying "bring them on".
The war was started with two aims ** to smash Hezbollah once and for all and secondly to get the soldiers released.** It failed miserably on both accounts, so yes it lost the war. The only thing it won was in killing more civilians than hezbollah did. But than they always were savages, so nothing new there.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
i am impresssed with hezbollah a valiant effort against the free weapons of the US. Absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about. infact it should be the shameless supporters of IDF that are embarassed. Took a serious beating in the last few days in them fragile tanks. i bet the jets are also plastic
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
so should you, and so should every muslim, every human being.
the two are not an oxymoron, you dont have to be against one to support the other. they are synonymous and hence the victory of hezbollah is just important as the lives of the lebanese. cuz without hezbollah, lebanon would be another palestine and we all know whats happening to them. im not sure the lebanese would thank anyone for caring about thier lives if they had to live under the israeli occupation, yet right now, despite their world being turned upside down, they are thanking and cheering on hebzollah in thier droves. hence why are we busy sitting on the fence?
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
hahaha. good point. its the IDF and thier supporters that should be embarrased, their behaviour is very telling that they are. shame on utd for trying and to turn the whole thing around. :halo:
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Isn't this something like Kansas City celebrating a 50-win season as a victory?
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Excellent point Captain :k:
This is the best argument of this whole discussion so far.
Keep it up brother!
Jazak Allah,
Ajmal.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
Looking at these replies from Nazis, it is obvious that they will need another dose of reality by attacking Lebanon again in near future.
You guys don’t learn from history. And that’s good news.
Since the inception of Hezbollah in 1982, the score is 2-0 in Hezbollah’s favor. And that egg (“0”) goes to the fourth strongest military power of the world with the total support of the world’s biggest military power, against a “rag-tag” militia. Now THAT’s what is called DISGRACE. Some may call it “PRICELESS”.
As for the 100,00 figure the next time, why can’t it fit in your mind what Nasrallah said? Do you think Hezbollah does NOT know that Nazis can attack with full force?
The reality is that Hezbollah actually WANTED Nazis to come in huge numbers, so that Southern Lebanon could be made a GRAVEYARD for them. This is what Nasrallah promised when Nazi parliament approved a big ground invasion, and he did deliver that promise.
If Nazis think that 100,000 of their terrorist army could wipe out Hezbollah then they could have done when every other of their strategy failed miserably. Nasrallah said such an invasion will result in Nazi graveyard, and the terror regime knew that HE WAS NOT BLUFFING.
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
All of them remind me of dog' tail. Recently they all were playing 'the victim game' and now.............
Re: Any Muslims embarrassed that so many are claiming victory for Hezbollah?
why am I sitting on the fence..I am on no fence, i dont like israels actions and do i like hezbollahs actions, so i dont want to cheer any of the two..I have empathy for lebanese civilians and thus I am cncerned with their loss, not hezboallah or israels gain