Anti-Pakistanism in India

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^ Being more worried that a family member will get an Indian heart instead of worrying about having the right treatment and a heart transplant performed is completely logical and not biased at all. An Indian heart must be tainted and of poor quality because of the interaction with the majority population there. The above is just a sample of stories. If one searches positive stories on the net you’ll find it..and if you search negative stories on India and Pakistan you’ll find that too. We shouldn’t ignore racism, prejudice and discrimination if it occurs on either end. At the same time it would be good to mention the many positive stories as well so it’s not just one sided. India/Pakistan are more than just the governments/authorities there are many ordinary people as well who may have misunderstandings but dont all harbour hate.

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Lol

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The idea of arresting someone for supporting an alternate team is too dumb for words.

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It is pretty dumb i agree. The charges were dropped and it happened during an election period when that particular state government was trying to act tough. There’s no excuse for it. Still acts by authorities don’t prove that India or Indians in general are becoming more anti-Pakistani just like silly decisions by the Pakistani government don’t reflect on Pakistani people. It shouldn’t be given as an excuse to hate Indians/India in general rather than just hate the actions in this case. I’ve posted some positive stories above if anyone is interested in that. What do you think of a family being wary of having a heart transplant because the heart in question is of Indian origin? Is having no life better than having an Indian heart? If, God forbid, someone you knew needed a transplant and the only donor in question was an Indian would you be reluctant because the organ is of Indian origin?

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People in Pakistan Affairs think speaking up against rigging in a democratic country is an undemocratic and unconstitutional practice. Well look what’s happening in world’s largest democracy.

Indian police arrest students for defaming Narendra Modi | World news | theguardian.com

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What about this Indian donor heart and the doctors which saved the life of a Pakistani who may have otherwise not made it.

Breaking boundaries: Indian doctors, donor save Pakistani man

Ashmi was repeatedly admitted in several hospitals with breathing difficulty and other symptoms. Doctors finally diagnosed him as having heart failure and told his family that his only chance of survival was a heart transplant. After a wait of approximately two months, a suitable Indian donor heart became available for Ashmi, even though it was of a different blood group, through an organ sharing network system created in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu.****“If the transplant had been delayed by even 2 days, it would have cost him his life,” said Dr Suresh Rao, Chief of Cardiac Anaesthesia and Critical Care.
Following the successful operation, a grateful Ashmi said, “I am ready to live life all over again and it is all due to the kindness of my saviour heart.”

Visa regulations have been eased so that patients can come for treatment. None of these patients faced ill-treatment in India.

They must also “suck” as well being from India and of Indian origin.

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That’s not even related to Pakistan. It’s about Indian students making a collage with comparisons to Hitler/Bin Laden. Freedom of speech and expression is not a strong point of the subcontinent in all countries.

Even if it’s the world’s largest democracy due to population doesn’t mean there is no corruption or there are no constraints on freedom of speech or that police are not fascist at times. It’s still a developing country.

If you want me to respond to your comment about India with something similar. It’s not going to happen. I don’t feel it necessary to stoop to that level with generalisations :slight_smile: Hope you have a good day too.

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I am not anti Indian in the slightest. I recognize that most people in either state are too busy surviving to care about political point scoring. However, there is an element which deals in “its worse over there” which is pointless.

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I always think people who go to rally and have time to get arrested for some political reasons are the one without employment, Once employed working 9 to 5 they will hardly get time for such thing!!! I think both countries need to generate more jobs so that they can take idle people out from road :slight_smile:

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Is being wary of a heart transplant just because heart is Indian showing that someone being Indian is not an issue?
This is by a common citizen in an article i posted rather than the government. It’s not that old either but 2011. It’s unfortunate that Indian politics revolves around Pakistan and elections use this stance to appear tough. Even in US and Western countries in election propaganda they use 3rd countries to appear tough. I agree it’s wrong but how does that make the average Indian or majority of Indians anti-Pakistani people (rather than disagreeing with the government like Pakistanis may do with the Indian government).

It might not be as much in Pakistan but if something sounds like it’s Indian it’s not politically favorable to associate with it. Like when the word vishwas was used Pakistani media reacted strongly against it. It’s just a word..why is it a big deal if it is mentioned? How can a word be threatening?
‘Vishvas’: A word that threatens Pakistan – The Express Tribune](http://tribune.com.pk/story/438587/vishvas-a-word-that-threatens-pakistan/) I watch Hum tv and i’m happy to learn new words. I don’t see it as a bad thing. I’m sure people watching Pakistani dramas in India are not worried by being invaded by Urdu with this new channel. They’re happy to learn new words. I haven’t read any articles in Indian media worrying about Pakistani culture affecting Indians. All media, even the conservative ones, are positive about this channel. There are some Pakistani media that worry about influence of Bollywood/Indian things etc (but not as much hollywood??)..how does that make sense? what about the indian doctors delayed visa to provide free medical camps by the interior ministry of Pakistan? what about the 2 indian journalists asked to leave Pakistan for no reason? India and Pakistan have an agreement to allow 2 journalists on either side to report stories. They live under tight restrictions and cannot travel beyond Islamabad. No reason was given to ask them to leave. How will Indians know about the true Pakistan if they can never hear about it from the locals?
Maybe there are no journalists in India either..so both are the same.Even after this more conservative new gov there was no opposition to an Indian channel showing just Pakistani shows. Despite whoever the gov is people on both sides get denied visas for random reasons just based on the mood of the gov of the day.

Problem is on both sides in different ways. Maybe India it is more open about it in election time. As ordinary citizens there’s not much you can do. :frowning:

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That’s true and that’s political. I don’t think it should be a competition. We both have security issues. In India, we have rape crises to deal with and in Pakistan there is security/militants etc to deal with.

I just think saying majority of Indians/India are anti-Pakistani these days is not true anymore than saying the opposite. One can say that the government and some authorities are prejudiced but you can’t say it for every institution. There are plenty examples to the opposite. Lot of GS members like the Kaur, honeybeez etc for example live in India and may have never met a real life Pakistani but they don’t harbour anti-Pakistani feelings. You would probably never come across the positive articles i posted on Pakistani media (and vice versa) because they thrive on otherness and people hating.

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sorry to all the mods about the links. I know i put some in there. feel free to edit/infarction if required. I just thought enough negative stories had been mentioned so i decided to post some positive stories +quotes to show the other side as well.

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Way to cap it, shaasavera!

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this is a funny thread. did anyone even read the first article?

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Why should one care honestly? I don’t get why it should affect you unless you’re Pakistani living in India and get discriminated against based on ur nationality. Our people get treated far worse in arab countries but no one cares about that because they are muslim we ignore their behaviour. We need to focus on our economy so our people can get decent jobs at home instead of going to them arab countries and do ****ty jobs and be humiliated.

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You hit the nail completely on the head. I completely condemn the events mentioned here. Arab countries do treat desis far worse. In Qatar you can’t go shopping on family day if you’re asian.FIFA 2012 QATAR - UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION - YouTube How many Arab countries loosen visa rules/do medical tourism for desis of any type despite having such good services? Every yr 700 Pakistanis come to India for treatment on health visas and there’s been hardly any issues. Why did Kuwait ban Pakistani visas at one stage? No Arab country offers Pakistanis visa on arrival/no visa unlike Nepal, which is a non Muslim country, as are the 18 of the 26 that offer this. How many Arab countries allow Pakistani guys to marry Arab girls freely under law or if a celebrity does this how often is it showcased on TV? Shoaib-Sania are guests and participants on many reality shows and they always have great rapport with the audience and the hosts. How many Arab reality shows showcase Pakistani singing talent and give respect? Out of countries like middle eastern countries, europe, US etc how many are aware or appreciate Pakistani singing talent? Due to common language and despite the world seeing us as “enemies” there is more awareness in India then many of the others. Now with the launch of Pakistani dramas exclusively on an Indian channel there will be less ignorance among the masses.

How many Arab doctors come to Pakistan to offer free and non profit medical camps for patients like these Indian doctors? This medical camp was organised by a proud Pakistani Hindu MNA by name of Dr Ramesh Kumar. **This is from April this yr **and I’m sure if there was an anti-Pakistani Indian trend it would not have happened. Did they face obstacles? The only obstacle they faced were the Pakistani gov interior ministry delaying visas and delaying the program.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/694890/free-medical-camp-indian-doctors-reach-out-to-pakistani-patients-by-fixing-hearts/ The free medical camp will take part in 2 stages.

1st stage- where children with heart problems were checked by doctors for free

2nd stage-people who need bypass surgery/children who need surgery will be treated in Pakistan by these Indian doctors or referred to an Indian hospital on a non-profit basis. If Pakistani gov is gracious enough to offer visas/theatre facilities to these doctors it can happen here in Pakistan according to the article. I think if India has knowledge and expertise in areas that can help neighbours then it should.

Addressing the media at the camp, Dr Ramesh Kumar apologised for the holdup, blaming the interior ministry for the delay. He claimed that the doctors had come to Pakistan to serve humanity and had no vested interests. “India has a definite edge over Pakistan when it comes to the treatment of cardiac diseases and it was our desire to provide their expertise to the people of Pakistan.” Dr Kumar was of the opinion that doctors served patients without any discrimination. “For them [doctors], there are no Hindus or Muslims.”
Speaking about the relations between the two countries, he said that both India and Pakistan needed to soften their attitudes towards each other. “Together, we can even exceed the European countries,” he exclaimed.

The above is something which i’m guessing probably won’t be shown on tv channels like geo, hum, ary etc

I don’t see many threads about discrimination/anti-Pakistani sentiment in Arab countries eg. Kuwait situation which is better now I think

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That’s pretty sad. I’ve noticed that** some** Indian Americans and Pakistani Americans try to be more hyper-national/patriotic than those living in India or Pakistan. This is more so in established communities in diaspora which become insular and less in Scandinavian, European countries and Oceanic countries like Aus/NZ. I was quite surprised to read that people have found Indian Muslims in their area to be critical of Pakistanis when i havent come across that in my daily life.

Maybe they were Gujuratis? On GS I came across an Indian non muslim gujurati living in India who was anti-Modi but he is in minority. He posted about wanting to make friends on GS and getting to know Pakistanis. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/gupshup-cafe/618694-not-sure-if-i-fit-here.html Even within India there are many ethnic groups and some are insular and less open to other ethnic groups. Abroad we only get to interact with a select group of indians or pakistanis. Like in the US or UK you may be more likely to interact with Gujurati Indians.
or if in UK more likely to interact with Mirpuris etc Sometimes people, whether Pakistanis or Indians, abroad look at the treatment of minorities in the country , as reported in the media, believing that everyone there agrees with the government or approves of it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those Indians actually watch Humtv but don’t admit it. I know quite a few conservative Indians who watch and enjoy Pakistani dramas which come as part of their cable package. Even decades ago classic serials like dhoop kinare were enjoyed but its only now there will be an official channel for dramas. This will hopefully give Indians insight into the lives of Pakistanis rather than just believe what they see on the news. If someone were to just know Pakistan from news, whether indian/western/arabic, they would think it’s dangerous, all minorities have it hard, people don’t like/protest against indian/western products trying to distance themselves from it and everyone dresses/behaves conservatively. When actually there are people with different views and lot of open minded people who don’t mind being associated with other south asians.

Just my 2 cents.

I would introduce your Indian colleagues to some good dramas like Zindagi Gulzar hai or Humsafar to give them insight. Already i’ve got a few Indians addicted to it. People were really surprised to see bollywood songs or mention of bollywood actors/actresses or common clothes/food etc on humtv. They have no idea about life in Pakistan.

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So back to the start of the topic. What does the student who got attacked think about his time in India? Does he endorse the view that Indians are anti-Pakistani? It is deeply saddening, troubling and shameful what happened to him in his final year of study, but what about before that? i hope the culprits are punished and given maximum punishment.

During his stay in India he wrote a** book called “why I do not hate India” **which will be published in English and Hindi and consists of his impressions of 15 sectors in India which have developed.

Bilateral ties: Love thy neighbour - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

**“I will go to India again a thousand times as I have more friends there than I have in Pakistan,” said Ali Hassan Raza, a Pakistani student in India who was beaten in his hostel at Pondicherry University on May 13. He came back home two days later. Raza had just completed his two-year postgraduate specialisation in South Asian Studies when the incident happened. He is now back in his hometown of Pattoki, 84km from Lahore.

**It is important that there are more people-to-people contacts and that citizens have a better understanding of each other. “In India, many universities have Pakistan Studies departments and many students have done PhDs on Pakistan but we don’t have Indian Studies centres at our universities,” Raza exclaimed.

“I went to the hostel washroom early in the morning and left the door of my room open. In my absence, somebody sneaked into my room and, when I went back to sleep, the guy opened the door for two other people,” Raza explained. He said the attackers beat him up with iron rods, hung a rope around his neck and hit him on the head with a cold drink bottle.
“The attackers left after some time and I don’t think they wanted to kill me,” the student said, adding that he stayed in hospital for the next two days until arrangements were made for his return to Pakistan. Replying to a question as to what could be the motive behind the incident, he said he did not know the cause as he was quite popular at the campus. He’s not sure whether the assailants wanted to send a message, malign the university or simply wanted to divert attention as general elections were going on at that time.
“The authorities responded to the incident, the state governor came to meet me in the hospital and the regional police chief also visited and assured me security,” he said. However Pakistani authorities did not respond until he contacted them through an official whose number he had obtained, Raza added. Once the incident got media attention, Raza says help came from the Pakistani officials and the Pakistani ambassador got in touch with him.

Pakistani student beaten up in Indian university arrives in Lahore – The Express Tribune

Raza, an [international relations

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**The attackers left when nearby students arrived to rescue him.

**Raza, the first and only Pakistani at Pondicherry University had earlier emphasised that he was never discriminated on the basis of his religion or nationality during his two-year stay in India.

****These are his own words. If you listen to the 2 min interview on the link above he says he went there to do work on a topic which was “perception of Indian youth towards Pakistanis” where he asked people “what do you think about Pakistan? What do you want” In reply he was overwhelmed by the answers and he says " itna acha sab hi ka response tha" that he was surprised that so many of the Indian youth wanted there to be good relations between the 2 countries.
No denying the existence of Pakistan or any of that some assume.
I think as a Pakistani student living in India for 2 year and working on this topic he would have more insight into whether there was anti-Pakistani sentiment on ground level in India during his time there. Indians/Pakistanis living abroad or in Pakistan cannot have that same insight. All the rest of us have is news media which is not always unbiased.