Anti North Indian sentiments growing in India

There has been a growing Anti-North Indian feeling in many states especially for people from UP and Bihar. Illiteracy is very high in UP and Bihar and there are no jobs.

Millions of people from UP and Bihar are migrating to other states.

In Maharashtra , North Indians do not learn the local language Marathi and do not adapt to the Marathi culture and Maharashtrian politicians are taking advantage of this Anti-North Indian feelings.

In Bangalore too there are anti-North Indian sentiments esp. against Biharis. In Assam there were violence against Hindi speakers from UP and Bihar.

Adding more spice to an ongoing debate over the issue of North Indian migrants in Mumbai, Delhi Lieutenant Governor Tejinder Khanna has inadvertently jumped in support of MNS chief Raj Thackeray. In a speech today he stated that North Indians tend to break rules the most.

Addressing a Traffic Police’s programme in the capital, Khanna said normally people presume traffic rules can be violated and no legal action would be taken.

“Especially North Indians feel pride in violating traffic rules and regulations. They are the ones who break the rules most,” Khanna added fuelling the controversy.

North Indians take pride in breaking law: Delhi’s Lt Governor

http://www.hindustantimes.com/storypage/storypage.aspx?id=8831a457-7272-41dc-a290-0b2899ac3a86&&Headline=‘North+Indians+take+pride+in+breaking+law’

Raj Thackeray’s stand was however supported by a tribal party here. “He is right in his demand that Marathi people should get preference in jobs in Maharashtra. We demand that Biharis should leave Jharkhand,” said Salkhan Murmu, president of Jharkhand Disom Party.

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Denada is posting an article about rifts in India :eek:, either the situation is REALLY bad he has become anti-nationalist, what do you think burqaposhx?

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India should send all the Biharies to Pakistan to uplift their economy :rotfl:.

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Bihari bashing has become a national pastime of Indians. Railways and other central government jobs are dominated by UP/Bihar folks adding to the resentment.

http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/shivpujanjha/55/50096/oh-this-bihari-bashing-the-virus-is-spreading.html

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denada two things
1-what parts exactly north india is consist of?
2-Why could you not pick a easy to spell id?

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all these problems with the languages and subcultures are because the state governments don't have as much power as the federal gov right? But when India has 100s of different languages and so many different subcultures, how can a federalist government work there?

All the countries that have a federalist type of gov have atleast something common amongst all of their states, like a common language and culture not so many subcultures and with a country like America with so much diversity, there is still just one common language and one American culture and most everybody follows them.

Give me an example of one country that has so many languages and subcultures that has a successful federalist type gov.

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Most of the states are developing and investing in IT, Bio technology etc.

UP and Bihar are still in the age old caste politics. There are hardly any industries or technology parks in UP and Bihar. Look at the number of Phd's awarded , you find hardly anyone from UP and Bihar.

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It is sad that Most of the Prime Ministers have been from UP and no one did anything for the state. Politically it is the most influential state in the country, yet not much development efforts have been made.
The bad luck of both these states is that they never got a Chief Miniter with a vision.
Bihar was ruled by Lalu for so long, he did not do anything for Bihar, but as soon as he comes to center as Railway minister he almost transformed it. I hope he had done something same for his state.

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would some one tell me what states are in north????
Like dili,bomby??

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Some of the North Indian cities include:

North India is culturally rich and diverse and is supported by very large cities: apart from the great metropolis of Delhi, the cities of Lucknow, Patna, Kanpur, Allahabad, Varanasi, Meerut, Dehradun, Jaipur, Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Amritsar, Jalandhar, Patiala, Srinagar, Jammu, Bhopal and Indore.

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You cant depend on Politicians. People have to make change.

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Thank you.

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North India -

Most of the Hindi speaking states are called BIMARU (Sick) - These include Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajastan and Uttar Pradesh. They have now create three new states Jharkhand, Chattisgarh and Uttarachal.

Punjab, HP, Haryana and Kashmir are also part of North India

South India is usually 4 states - Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu

West India - Maharashtra, Gujarat and Goa

East - West Bengal, Orissa

NE - 7 states.

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I am not sure whether Division of India on linguistic basis was a good idea.

http://www.chennaionline.com/Editorial/Feb08/02edt04.asp

One wonders if dividing India into linguistic States was a correct move. It has generated more problems than it has solved. We should have had straight lines to mark our different States. Each State will have several languages, religions,castes etc. Perhaps that would have given us a better Indianness. Today, we stand divided on every trivial issue.

Coming back to Mumbai, It has Hindus (68%), Muslims (17%), Christians (4%) and Jains (4%). Parsis, Buddhists, Sikhs and Jews form the rest. Ethnically, 42 percent of Mumbai’s population are Maharashtrians, 18 per cent Gujarathis, 21 per cent North Indians, three per cent Tamils, 3 per cent Sindhis and five per cent Kannadigas

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In spite of different languages and other differences there are a number of factors that unite India. In the past and to a certain even today, Hinduism is major uniting factor. Even amongst people of different religions, our shared history is a uniting factor.

Rifts will and do pop up from time to time. That is how people work things out.

4 decades ago the DK and DMK in Tamil Nadu were agitating for separation - today they are part of the central coalition and in the cabinet.

Similarly today the Communist parties who at one time wanted to bring in the politburo to Delhi are part of the government

Thirty years ago the Thackerays Shiv Sena was protesting to drive out the Tamils out of Bombay. Then they made friends. Today they are protesting the North Indians - in due course they will make friends again.

Point is this: In India like everywhere else we have differences and we work it out (or it works itself out!). We don't suppress it like China does or we don't go impose military on the dissent.

Jai Hind
Sri Rama Jayam

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division of indian states on the basis of language was good and correct. I support that. Respect everyone's whatever that is theirs and need not impose any one thing on others, be it language or culture etc

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Denada must not be from north india…:hehe:.

BTW where is posh burqa??

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Exactly. Frankly I think it has also made a lot of Indians smarter since it is a well known fact that kids who grow up learning more than one language from the start grow up smarter, not only linguistically.

Most non-Hindu speaking belt, I think kids grow up learning three languages these days - at least the middle-class.

That is why even parties like DK/DMK in Tamil Nadu who were once virulently anti-Hindi changed their policy to ensurimg uplift of Tamil without knocking down Hindi and English.

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Honestly, just from looking at India as a person who didn't grow up there, it's diversity in subcultures, religion and languages from one state to another, i'm just in awe at how united India has stayed all these years. It's absolutely incredible

I Hope and pray that India stays united(north, south,east,west India) and progresses in all aspects.

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Thank God they changed their way of thinking and for the record my family is south Indian American but I would prefer not to put that label on myself and separate myself from other Indians(north,east,west), I ain't anti-Hindi.

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Nice Editorial

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main37.asp?filename=Ne160208camel.asp

Camel In The Tent

The Marathis embraced all Indians as their own. Now, they are cramped for space, writes ARUN SADHU

AMID THE DIN of parochial rhetoric between Raj Thackeray and some north Indian leaders, it is necessary to expose historical prejudices that political India nurses against Maharashtra. Historical because these sentiments emanate from the 17th century Delhi Durbar, that seat of intrigues and conspiracies, when the great Maratha leader Shivaji turned his back on the powerful Mughal emperor. The Delhi Durbar syndrome which still dominates Indian politics today failed to understand that among the hundreds of contemporary sardars, rajas and nabobs in the subcontinent, Shivaji was the only one who dared to infuse the spark of political freedom against the world’s greatest power then.

Subsequent forays by the Maratha-Peshwa forces in the Jatland, Bengal and Orissa did not help change this image. The Delhi shenanigans of the modern Marathi political leaders (such as YB Chavan and Sharad Pawar) made matters worse. Maharashtrians — intellectuals (including Marxists), politicians and commoners, not just the Shiv Sena — are proud of Shivaji. They suspect others are sceptical.

An overwhelming majority of Marathi youth endorsed the Shiv Sena’s championship of the Marathi Manoos in 1966. It rejected the Sena politically as the latter utterly failed to live up to its word. Shiv Sena could never become a classical regional political party such as the DMK, Telugu Desam, the CPM in West Bengal or even the Gujarat BJP to capture power in Maharashtra on its own. It was only when it shed its Marathi syndrome that it could have a share in power in coalition with the BJP. Most Maharashtrians groan with pain and frustration when they see regional leaders from north and south India and superficial green-eared mediapersons paint entire Maharashtra with the Shiv Sena’s saffron.

Thus the image of the Maharashtrian caricatured by half-baked historians, the domineering durbari phenomenon of Delhi, the essentially sectarian leaders of regional parties and the media as a whole is like this: a parochial, sectarian, narrow-minded people; always quarrelsome and bereft of any talent or creativity and trying to impose their language and culture on others. To be sociologically objective, the reality is quite opposite.

The first thing that an outsider settling in Maharashtra learns is that the overwhelming mass of Marathis as a people are among the most tolerant and inclusive people in the world. Those who came to the Maratha land centuries ago lived here happily and prospered without being subjected to imposition of the local language as happens in Chennai, Kolkata or Ahmedabad. On the contrary, these migrants, proud of their native language and culture, find it strange that the Marathis often abandon their mother tongue and try to communicate with strangers in the smattering of any cosmopolitan tongue available.

Unlike in other parts of the world, it is not necessary to learn Marathi to live in Maharashtra. Uttar Bharatiyas, Telugus, Gujaratis, Rajasthanis have lived in deep rural areas of Maharashtra for generations without learning Marathi. They have created their empires of trade and enterprise. Local Marathis have cheerfully accepted these groups as their own. If they dominate the economic life of Maharashtra, so be it. The Marathis have long acknowledged their own lack of talent for trade or entrepreneurship. Shivaji or latter day Maratha rulers, whenever they established new towns or kasbahs, had always honourably invited nagarseths from Marwar and Gujarat to do trade and industry. That is one major shortcoming of the Maharashtrian society in the new world of competitive markets. Mumbai is a city built by migrants — Maharashtrians and “outsiders”. But it can no longer take any more migrants, Maharashtrian or not. Raj Thackeray’s outburst is the first symptom of the impending implosion. Other Indian metropolises only await their turn.

The writer is a novelist and journalist