If I do not believe in that my path is the only right path , then I will have to believe in all the right paths and the life will be too complicated.
So by logic if mine is the only right path then all other paths are not right paths. Now who deserves the pain or not I will leave to Allah.
So complexity is your refuge to not deal with alternative viewpoints? I would rather accept a harmonious balance where I live my life according to my standards and let others live theirs without judging them. At least you and I agree that we should not judge who deserves pain, suffering and humiliation and who doesn’t.
So complexity is your refuge to not deal with alternative viewpoints? I would rather accept a harmonious balance where I live my life according to my standards and let others live theirs without judging them. At least you and I agree that we should not judge who deserves pain, suffering and humiliation and who doesn’t.
To believe in my value sets is my right and not a refuge. I do deal with alternative viewpoints by just listening to them and go my own marry way.
Yes I believe that I am not the judge and that is integral part of my belief system.
I don't know why are you guys getting so sensitive about her when it's not even a normal situation to start with, she married a playboy just to gain points in political grounds, so yeah she got what she deserved.
playboy ? he looks more like a gayboy not a playboy :)
Guys, my comment was my personal feeling. Dont do a surgery of that. I am not going to defend it, but I am not going to deny my feelings either
But ...
I am really not sure that why all of a sudden we all start acting so 'human'. Is it because Huma is not our sister or daughter? Would we allow our own daughter to marry a Jew? Maybe you would, but sorry, I am very conservative and I wont.
Guys, my comment was my personal feeling. Dont do a surgery of that. I am not going to defend it, but I am not going to deny my feelings either
But ...
I am really not sure that why all of a sudden we all start acting so 'human'. Is it because Huma is not our sister or daughter? Would we allow our own daughter to marry a Jew? Maybe you would, but sorry, I am very conservative and I wont.
I don't think that anyone here would be happy about their children wanting to marry outside of the religion. Having said that, merely stating that we would not allow it does not prevent it from happening.........Allah na karay that we should face such a situation, but what if we do?
Based on what I read in this thread, we should react by supporting the choice and if any harm comes to her because of that choice, we should never blame the choices or her. Hey, no matter how stupid of choices my daughter should make, she does not deserve any harm.
Yup, then who deserves harm if people of stupid choices dont?
Guys, my comment was my personal feeling. Dont do a surgery of that. I am not going to defend it, but I am not going to deny my feelings either
But ...
I am really not sure that why all of a sudden we all start acting so 'human'. Is it because Huma is not our sister or daughter? Would we allow our own daughter to marry a Jew? Maybe you would, but sorry, I am very conservative and I wont.
My problem is not with the "she shouldn't have married him" but with the "she deserved it" bit... I'm prolly in the same boat as you when it comes to disapproving such a union - but regardless, to say "she deserved the humiliation" is what's wrong in my mind. Again, to throw back your question - say despite your disapproval if khuda na khwasta someone from your family was in such a situation, would you say the same thing?
Based on what I read in this thread, we should react by supporting the choice and if any harm comes to her because of that choice, we should never blame the choices or her. Hey, no matter how stupid of choices my daughter should make, she does not deserve any harm.
Yup, then who deserves harm if people of stupid choices dont?
No...it's not about supporting the choice.....I wouldn't have supported it if she were my daughter......but chances are that I would have had to live with it.
Would I wish her harm for making a choice that I didn't agree with, heck no! I wouldn't wish harm on anyone.
Again, to throw back your question - say despite your disapproval if khuda na khwasta someone from your family was in such a situation, would you say the same thing?
Honest to goodness, yes. I explained in my above post that people who make stupid choices are people who invite troubles. and when trouble comes to them, its something that they deserved.
You did not; nor did I suggest that you did.
I am equating that term to the suggestion that she deserves whatever she gets.
I am not sure if you specifically have made that assertion or someone else in the thread.....my comment is general.
Honest to goodness, yes. I explained in my above post that people who make stupid choices are people who invite troubles. and when trouble comes to them, its something that they deserved.
That's where I differ... I'm no one to say who deserves harm... that's for God to decide. If someone doesn't live by my standards and beliefs, however staunchly I hold onto my convictions... I wouldn't condone any harm that comes their way.
This reminds me of the recent story when an OB practitioner in the US deliberately caused pain to a woman during birth because she refused his advice for an epidural. Unrelated story, I know... but that's the analogy that comes to mind.
Honest to goodness, yes. I explained in my above post that people who make stupid choices are people who invite troubles. and when trouble comes to them, its something that they deserved.
Recently you told me that I have a great deal of patience......honestly dost, I would not have what it takes to let my daughter suffer consequences if there was any way that I could save her.......mera dil itna mazboot nahin.......and perhaps mera imaan itna pukka nahin, yet. May Allah guide me and help me.
Well no one deserves any physical or mental harm unless someone has committed heinous crimes, I think better choice of words would be that you don't feel sorry about her because in a way she herself caused it.
Recently you told me that I have a great deal of patience......honestly dost, I would not have what it takes to let my daughter suffer consequences if there was any way that I could save her.......mera dil itna mazboot nahin.......and perhaps mera imaan itna pukka nahin, yet. May Allah guide me and help me.
and now think of the anger and sadness that Huma's mother might be going through. I am sorry but I have no sympathies for huma for what she probably put her mom and dad through, plus its not that this whole ordeal brought her any physical harm. I am sure she is not taking all this as seriously as we are.