Another quintessential In-Law Question

Salaam/Hello guys n’ gals,

Background:

Yet again, another in-law thread. I’ve been married for 8 months or so. Living in the basement of my in-laws house - its a furnished basement apartment mind you, and quite nice! Initially I was quite happy living with them. We didn’t have much interaction though - A) I work full-time, I’m a teacher and my work literally never stops! B) My MIL is a gossip queen. She loves talking about other people and their business. So much so that she sometimes meddles in the affairs of my friends and family. So I try not to talk to her, because it gets me upset everytime. And she has a very sly way of insulting people. But she brushes it off by insisting that she’s pure-hearted & innocent, and says she doesn’t realize that what she says may hurt others. My husband completely buys that, but I don’t. Anyway, I didn’t have a problem with her. I have always been cordial and polite. I always make it a point to let her know when we’re going out and if she needs anything or if I can bring something back for her. I usually don’t cook, because dinner is always ready by the time I come home. But, on the days that I’m off (and not busy with other commitments) I always make it a point to prepare a meal for the family. I make it a point to make her feel special by making her a birthday cake, giving her presents on mother’s day, etc; And this is all for her to appreciate me as a daughter in-law. I understand that because of work and other commitments, I’m not always able to be there for her, but I try. I’m a fairly quiet person by nature and don’t talk much. Only my husband can bear witness to my gift of gab, haha.

Her Complaints:

Anyway, having said that, my MIL complains about me quite a bit. She cries to my husband that I don’t spend enough time with her. She has nothing else to complain about, except how I don’t sit with her and act like I’m her daughter. Literally this is it. She complains that I don’t have the “apna-pan”. I understand that. But, I can’t possibly be that bad :S Anyway, the other day she called me in a hissy fit, and she has NEVER done this before. She has never confronted me before. She called crying that I didn’t invite her to my Masters convocation. I told her that I had mentioned the convocation to her in March when I was ordering tickets. They only give 5 tickets and my parents, sister and husband were entitled to those. However, I gave her enough respect to tell her and gave her the option to still come. She said no its okay. So anyway, here comes May 16th (the night before my grad) and she calls me crying, saying I don’t consider her my mother, and anything good that happens to me should be celebrated in “their” house, and there should be a party in “their” house first, and she said I don’t act like a daughter to her and have not given her much attention over these last 8 months. She said she has been waiting for 8 months to talk to her daughter in-law and I only come home when my husband comes home (which is not my fault, I get off work @ that time). Anyway, it was a terrible 7 minutes of complaining and crying. I apologized and told her it would never happen again. I went to her, hugged her and kissed her. I apologized several times. She accepted my apology - this was all in front of my husband btw. The phone call was only with me though. When I told my husband about it, he was shocked but understanding towards his mother. So he came with me when I went to go and apologize.

Anyway, this whole complaining and crying thing has been going on for a very long time. But this was the first time she confronted me about it. I have been so busy over these last 8 months that I haven’t had the quality time to spend with my own mother and yet my MIL is demanding that I sit with her for longer periods of time everyday :S To be quite honest, I don’t feel like going to that home everyday. I literally dread it, because I dislike seeing her now. Ever since that incident, ever since she yelled and cried I just feel this weird “fear”. I know its childish. But I hate living there. My husband understands that I want to move out eventually, but he still wants the parents to live with us. My MIL has already asked for a room of her own in our house. But she says it in a very sly way that only I can see. The other day she was saying to my husband that, “Oh, these days children leave their parents and its so sad. I can’t even think of you leaving me. That’s why your sister was saying that I should just live in a small room in your house. But don’t worry everything will be your wife’s, your dad and I will make our living in that room”.. My husband was so saddened and immediately hugged her and told her that the whole house will be her’s. Honestly, I understand that she’s the mother. But she’s forgetting that she’s taking away another woman’s dream of having her own house. I don’t know what to do :S I feel as though every move of mine is countered by her. I’m at work right now, but I dread going home and sitting with her. I usually sit for about 1/2 hour everyday. Have dinner with my husband in the kitchen. Sit again with the husband and his parents for another 1/2 hour. Then I go downstairs to work on school stuff, shower and sleep. Its usually 11 by the time we’re done everything.

If it was my own house, I can freely fix dinner upon coming home. Organize things my own way. Eat what I like, do what I like. Have windows that I can see outside of!! In the basement, the windows are tiny little cracks. Its just a bummy situation. I’m not even being spoiled about it. My husband owns a place and rents it out. Its 2 minutes from my in-laws place. And I have asked countless times to move in there - but there has been no confirmation whatsoever.

Anyway, 2 questions for you guys. Am I wrong in this situation? And secondly, does anyone know the Islamic rights of a woman in terms of having her own house?

I feel as though every human being has the right to live in a home where they feel comfortable and appreciated. They don’t want to be walking on egg shells in their home. But I feel as though I have to resort to that here and I hate it :S Asking for my own home is useless because A) Hubby doesn’t want to live without parents; B) In-laws want a room in our house.

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Story of my life apart from the fact that I'm currently not working and have to spend the entire day with the in laws... At least u get to go out for work :s

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^^ why don't you start looking for a job?

From your post, it seems your mil is right... There is no apna pann.

I won't comment on any of the other stuff.... But.. for the convocation... First right should have been your parents and his.... Not your siblings. That would have earned you some serious brown ie points and respect in the eyes of mil.

Islamically.... Your are allowed your own place if things get rough. But honestly.... This is hardly rough..its something you have created yourself with creating a barrier between mil and yourself...

You already do the basics like get her stuff etc.. but material things can't replace emotional support.... I know you have said you r busy... But a lil time for the old woman will change a lot ... I'm sure your husband comes home and spends time with her... Just go and sit with them.

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I dont think the real problem is your MIL. I think the real deal is that you want your own place and hence everything with your inlaws in this regard your MIL has started to annoy you.

Beside this, I dont think you should demand the same understanding nature from your MIL as you do from your mother. You said you havent had time for your mother in 8 months, but she had you for a life time .. she knows you inside out .. whereas your MIL is only getting to know you now and as your post suggest you seem all "busy me, busy me" I understand she feels you're not a part of the family.... We all have commitments and no one can force you to spend time with your inlaws .. but if you're really THIS busy maybe you should start appreciating that at least you dont have to do all the house work on your own. If you do not have time to sit with your MIL due to work and studies, I doubt you've time to cook whatever you want for dinner either ..

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According to you, you’re sooooo busy that you haven’t had any time for your own mother in the last 8 months! Your just VERY busy all the time. So how will you have the time to cook/organize even if you had a separate house? :konfused: And exactly what else is there for you to do in a separate house b/c once again…you’re too busy to even find some time for your own mother.

Has your MIL ever told you that you can’t cook/eat what you want to? As for the windows comment…LOL…really? The rest of the house doesn’t have windows? Does your MIL force you to stay in the basement when you’re home?

BTW, did you know BEFORE the nikah that your husband expected you to live in a joint family setting?

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I think in general you're doing everything you can. You may have made mistakes, but you've tried to reach out to her. Right now her own insecurities (and what she has perceived about your own level of discomfort/dislike about your situation) are making her feel like you don't want to be around her and that she is a burden. This is still a pretty new relationship. New relationships often start out with misunderstandings or are initially uncomfortable. But these can still be worth cultivating and will one day amaze you with their strength. They require patience, understanding, and a sense of humor (not one that is mocking, but one that is accepting of flaws/mistakes). It will take time for you to adjust to a new family and new people. It will take time for you to feel at home. Allow yourself that time. Allow your new family members time too (and please see them as YOUR family, rather than constantly comparing and talking about them as separate from your own). They are different from your other family members, but they are your family nonetheless.

You say that there's no point in talking to your husband because no change is really possible. But I think you also need to feel heard and understood. Even if no immediate changes and solutions are possible, you need to feel that your voice is heard, at the very least. You don't know the changes the future will bring (in you and in your circumstances). Just do your best to find happiness in your current situation.

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you teach, right?
what grade students are you teaching?
and you get home the same time as hubby, right?
what time is that?

you don't have to cook and I'm not sure if you mentioned whether or not you clean the whole house or just your portion (i.e. the basement where you live)

you don't have any kids yet.

so.....just to clearly understand.....what's keeping you so busy?

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It was so enlightening to actually read some of your views on this! Thank you for the replies all :)

-Paheli: I've taken care of the house by myself for about a month when my in-laws left. If given the chance I can take complete responsibility of the house. Also, our first talk on the phone EVER after baat pakki was about me asking to live in a separate accomodation but close to this parents. He had agreed at the time :( Things change after. But he's still an amazing husband alhumdulillah.

-Sweetmoi: I end up sitting with the MIL for at least an hour everyday. Half an hour myself and another half with the hubby. I've timed it out like that, because I'm super anal about time management :S But it's not like I ignore her. I do sit with her. More than I do with my own mother (sadly enough). I just don't like gossiping and backbiting. So I'm not always responsive when she comments about my friend getting fat or whether my cousin is pregnant, etc; I usually just brush these things off. Also, I have a super hard time forcing myself to chat since by nature I'm a quiet person.

I don't think its fair to blame someone for "apnapan" if they are quiet :S .. Really?

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What time do you leave the house in the morning and what time do you get home? And you work 5 days/week I assume?

I'm not saying that you're not capable of taking responsibility for the entire house. I'm trying to figure out how you will have time to cook or do anything else in a separate home if you're soooo busy right now due to your job. If you can find time to take care of the ENTIRE house.....surely you can fine more time to spend with your MIL and even your own mother.

Other than just sitting with her....why don't you actually do some activity so there is stuff to talk about. Have you ever asked her to teach you some of HER recipes? What about going shopping with her during the weekend? Or even watching a movie/TV show with her? When your husband says that he never wants to live without his parents....have you mentioned to him that before the nikah this was a condition he agreed to?

And you still haven't answered......are you not allowed to cook/eat whatever you want in the home?

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I work everyday until 5. Always have marking to do and lesson plans to make - I teach highschool biology & physics. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore my job and don't mind the work. Regardless of the schedule, I always take time out for my MIL. As aforementioned, that is at least an hour everyday. My weekday tasks involve the following: making the next day's lunch for hubby & myself, cleaning the basement, finishing pending schoolwork, praying, showering, gymming - and all of this is finally done around 11:30 - 12 AM everyday. I wake up everyday at 6 to make breakfast for my husband and myself and then leave for work at 7. I love my schedule! So no complaints there. My only concern is for my MIL to understand that I have a different lifestyle. I have accommodated and changed for her. But she refuses to change a little for me. Before this, my parents and myself had discussed my living arrangements with the family. Both families sat together and agreed that I'd be living separately. But I ended up compromising because my husband felt strongly about living with his family. I've had to change quite a bit to live there. I'm not your quintessential bahu - but I try! I make green tea for her in the evenings. I ask her about her day and listen to her as she talks. But she complains that I don't talk enough and that I don't treat her like my mother :s And she CRIES about it! Thus instigating hostile emotions in my husband.

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I forgot to mention, since I'm not a talkative person, I've resorted to other techniques of bonding: we take her out for dinner or breakfast every weekend. I watch a couple of dramas with her as well - zindagi gulzar hai (which we love btw!). Not to mention sitting with her for an hour everyday.

Its just never enough though :S

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the bolded part speaks volumes .....unless you would care to rephrase it.
being "anal" about time is directly related to the lack of "apna pan".
if someone had "scheduled" time to sit with me for an hour, 1/2 by themselves and 1/2 with hubby, then I would feel like more of a burden/chore on them than anything else.

perhaps the issue isn't time at all....

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Out of curiosity, before you got married, how did you spend time with your mum/dad and siblings and how much time did you spend with them?

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^ Great question. I just started my teaching job in September. Before that I was schooling. So during that time, I wasn't as busy. Regardless, you can't compare parents to parents in-law. Its a senseless thing to do. I love my in laws. But they're not my parents. I'm not answerable to them. REGARDLESS, I treat them with the utmost respect and care. Sitting an hour with her everyday, watching dramas, going out with her, etc; is never enough. So quite simply, I want to ask you guys. How long do you sit with your MIL? What activities do you guys do?

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^ Firstly, anal and apnapan have nothing do with each other. You can be anal about time-management and organize your time wisely. You don't have to chat incessantly to be considered "apni". This is her exact complaint from me. The fact that I don't sit with her or talk to her. Heck, I barely talk to anyone except my husband! I don't anyone should be forced to chat if they simply don't want to :S All she talks about is others, and how someone is too ugly or too fat or how rich people are snobby - just weird things that I could care less about and have nothing to say about. If I change the topic, she starts questioning me :S How do you force yourself to sit with someone like that all the time? She's bubbling with negativity. And quite frankly, I'd rather be doing something else. But I still have the courtesy to sit with her - because she deserves that respect. Afterall she is my husband's mother. And because of that I respect her and do care for her. But she literally hates on me for not talking to her or responding to her ridiculous comments. And she has escalated the issue into something huge. Even last night, my husband was upstairs consoling her as she cried about me. She didn't know I was downstairs eating. But I could hear her sniffing and saying that "I've waited so long for her, etc;"

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Okay, fine. Let's take the parents versus parents-in-law comparison out (and personally I agree - not everyone can have a close lovey-dovery relationship with their in-laws and condemning someone for not loving their in-laws as much as they love their parents is unfair), but how are you with people you socialize with - your friends, or even people you've just met - what sort of an effort do you make with them?

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^ Usually see friends on the weekend if I'm not busy with family .. But I do keep in touch through text, Facebook, phone calls, etc; Its definitely not an everyday thing though

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I don't think that you understood my reference to being anal about time........what I was suggesting is that if she gets the idea that you are spending that hour with her to fulfil an obligation then she will say that there is no apna-pan. Anyway.....let's move on.

How about doing things with her rather than sitting to chat with her? Does she do anything that you could learn from her? Perhaps ask her to show you how to cook something? Maybe if she knits or crochets you could ask her to show you? Does she sew, embroider or something? Or you could pull up an article or surah or something to study with her? Maybe even find some gossip about the stars in the dramas that you watch?
Just try to avoid the opportunity to discuss people you know......

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Its funny how people grow old, but never grow up. Tsk Tsk, your MIL is acting like a 5 year old child. wow