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^ there was also demand for evidence that MQM was created / supported by Zia. I just responded to that. Lets see how OP corresponds to all the evidence required.
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Sir first of all you r forgetting Pakistan history.
All democratic leaders of Pakistan has started their careers from laps of military men.
Bhutto from Ayub Khan.
NS gift of Zia era.
Now talk about “angry young man of IK”, Jiyalays of PPP are known to angry young man as well.
Given what happening today all of us (including yourself) is angry, so it is natural that people passionate about this does equate with then with terrorist or mass murderer.
There is basic difference between mainstream political party and terrorist, MQM is tainted with terror not because of passionate support of its workers. In 80s AH asked Mohajirs to sale TV and VCRs to buy arms. That was the beginning of what we are see today.
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He for got to say
Ik was backed by Zia in cricket and worked as front man of Mush.
He is about 60 now
Hair transplant and color can not make him young.
And still he is in hand of biggest monestor of Pakistan .
**First civilian who command .
You can see his power in last posts of this thread.
**Shahbaz and Nisar secretly meet Kayani
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What a pathetic thread. Imran just speaks out the frustrations of the everyman, if you can't digest it then either you're a siyaasi jiyaala or you dont live in Pakistan coz it's hell here now. No one else is speaking out against the corrupt only IK is and that's why he's going to get votes this time around. And tons of them.
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Imran may have made mistakes, he may not win many seats becaause he refuses to do corrupt deals like Sharif, and he refuses to kill people like Altaf Hussain.
But he is the only politician in Pakistan who genuinely cares for the country.
If he loses, this is a loss for the whole country.
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Ziaulhaq gifted Pakistan with two monsters, one is political and other is religious, one is named as MQM and other is Sipah-e-Sahaba, both have many things in common, just like twins, although have different identity but in character both have something common and that is intolerance and violence.
If i am right then these were the first two parties who introduced intolerance and violence, today, the attacks on the mosques during prayer are something which Sipah-e-Sahaba started back in 80s or 90s, their ideology is, whoever do not follow what they believe in should be killed and with that environment of fear and agony has been developed, one goes for prayer in the mosque and the family back home prays that May he comes back alive, this is what Sipah-e-Sahaba and its subsidiary Laskhar-e-Jhangvi did to Pakistan and in reaction Shias got themselves their armed wing and they chose the same route... and now we have Taliban who are doing the same thing but on much bigger scale. 1000s were killed when they answered the call of Allah to pray, i do not understand how can a muslim kill another muslim while he is praying, the only time this happened was when Qaramti ( a non-muslim sect, claiming to be muslim) and Mongols attacked muslims... now i don't know whom these Sipah-e-Sahaba guys are inspired from...
In same way, MQM introduced a culture of fear and death, they killed anyone whom disagreed with them and was weaker, they killed anyone who have left them or parted his way from them. In MQM, it maybe on to make fun of Prophet (SAAW) but talking bad about Altaf Hussain can have person dead. With this attitude of MQM, the other parties of Karachi adopted the same road-map hence we have a civil war like situation in Karachi where, everyone is killing everyone, where killing the person from other party carries no guilt and where having armed wing is mandatory to have say in politics...
and now after these two monsters, PTI, the Imran Khan's party seem to have adopted same way, intentionally or unintentionally, their ways are lot more similar then what MQM or Sipah-e-Sahaba have, if anyone dares to disagree with IK's stance, if anyone dares to challenge IK, if anyone who do not believe in what IK believes, if anyone who do not give more than needed coverage to IK and its party, then the supporters of PTI and IK would do whatever in their power to curse and abuse that ONE.
Just for evidence, just checkout the facebook pages of any anchor person, just check out the Forum of PTI, checkout we forums where PTI workers are in abundance, just checkout the content they write and language the use and not to mention the language used by Imran Khan himself for his political opponents! and all this when they have literally no representation in parliament and holds no office what so ever, if Allah forbids, they get in power, how they will use it? by abducting, killing and eliminating persons who don't agree with them??? lately Aamir Sohail joined PML-N, which is not even a news to me, earlier certain hockey players and cricket players have joined different political parties but this time, he was targeted by PTI supporters for joining somebody who is not inline with the PTI's politcal ideology...
I still have not got the political ideology of PTI, I understand they want to keep their identity but what i don't understand is the language and attitude IK and his supporters have? NS, their prime target may be a fool or may be he is incompetent but today his party is 2nd largest in the parliament, Zardari may be corrupt or maybe is incompetent as well but again party under his leadership is in the govt. Even don't like the policies of AZ and NS, time to time I criticize them, but that doesn't mean i must abuse them, i must call names to them??? what will happen if this party who hates its opponent to the level that they call and hit them by every medium they have access to date.
I remember those days when battle of Lahore was on between PPP and PML-N, and i use to enjoy the political activities, the local leaders of PPP, such as Aitzaz Ahsan etc use to move in the streets, have their political camps where guys like me visits to have a piece of Burfi or glass of Milk and then visit the camps of PML-N asking what is on the menu today... smiles all the way, would that be possible with the attitude IK have?
His attitude of "everyone is wrong and only I am right", is going to create another MQM or Sipah-e-Sahaba and this time it would be my City of Lahore, i cannot imagine that happening, I am sorry if i ever supported this guy, He is politically immature and knows nothing how to control himself or the crowd not to mention how to plan the events. To me, he is another Altaf Hussain in making who would bring nothing but destruction to my country and my city. I am far better off then corrupt Zardari and Nawaz Sharif who only takes my money but with whom i can argue.
Anwar these days in Karachi PPP is more involved in killing of innocent people than any other party at least PTI people don't kill people like MQM PPPP and ANP
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Monster is strong word.......idiot might be appropriate.........because they haven't killed anybody yet...........
You've point here, now who is more dangerous, Idiot with a gun or a Monster (normally it is believed that monster have enormous power but no brains)? or both?
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It is Ok Captain1, I normally do not take Facebook Pages into account till what is being going on during this year, these facebook/twitter account have there share in bringing down the Iron-men of Tunis and Eygpt and is going to bring down the 3rd one anytime soon in Syria…
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Show me the proof that Zia created MQM.
Zia made the country fanatical but did not explicitly create Sipah e Sahaba.
Was there any MQM when Gohar Ayyub and his brethren attacked and killed many Urdu speakers for supporting Fatima Jinnah? It is so easy to pass judgments about Karachi without fully understanding the dynamics of the city. I laugh at people who question why Karachi is the only city engulfed in violence and then squarely put its blame on MQM.
Yar, why don't you try to see things as they are and not act as a victim everytime?
Gohar Ayoub did horrible thing, no doubt about that, but then Mumtaz Bhutto was worse when we was premier of Sindh in 70s, if what i have red and heard is right then he was the worst nightmare of all time and it is said by the supporters of Zia that his Action ( Marshal Law) was reaction of Bhutto's injustice and cruelty throughout the country, be it treatment of some community or province or personality, bhutto treated everyone with same stick...
When Zia ul Haq took over it was his responsibility to provide sense of security among the deprived people or whoever have been effected by the bad governance and system, but Zia was Zia, instead of doing what he should have done, he continued with the old legacy and things got worst when he allowed Jamat-e-Islami ( OK he may have not given them any written instructions) to use weapons and Jamat-e-Islami which till that time was representative of Urdu-Speaking Community became the right hand of establishment. Hence the formation of MQM and even when it was formed, instead of listening to them or giving in to their Just demand, Zia used force to suppress the movement hence providing them and their ways enough support to prosper. Had Zia given the MQM their Just place, do you think MQM would have taken weapons and would have practiced violence?
I have tried to summarize the situation here, i hope you got the point
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OP is taking break. Fine.
oh Bhai hosla, it was not a Chat-thing where i have to respond then and there...
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This is all a fake drama,
I have just posted the link but that takes time
I make it easy for you
Imran Khan wants Governor Raj; ready to be Governor if Zardari & Kyani wants
How can he do something
without people.
Millions and Millions spent
From Chandah money of My countrymen ,But failed.
Working under feet of dirtiest land mafia
They are too killing people since long.
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From the other posters, the questions are more or less same, so i would try to cover them here
First of All, the monster is in making or as NomiCA have rightly pointed out, an Idiot have awarded with a Gun… the monster in making or the idiot with the gun have not used it till now, but the circumstances are there to say that it is just matter of time when these monster will be unleashed and we would be paying the price by our blood just like we are doing in Karachi.
the other day, Imran Khan was saying on the television that his party have also asked for the weapons in Karachi but he have denied it! now one can argue by saying that given the situation in Karachi it was OK to have weapons but the thing is, a party which may have few thousand members in a city of 20 million, why do they need weapons? against whom they are going to use it? India? or someone from ANP or PML or PPP? I have not mentioned MQM here because it is been said that the PTI’s Sindh Leadership enjoys close contacts/relationship with MQM…
The hatred, Imran Khan has shown against all the political parties? where does that lead? any idea? according to him, PPP should be banished, PML should be eliminated, ANP shouldn’t be there? I agree that these three have disappointed the masses at large but we need to give it them that all the political parties in Pakistan was not given the apt environment to grow and groom, given the situation, I like the way Molana Diesel is forming his policies, I like the policies or stances ( not all) taken by PML-N, i like it when the MNAs and MPAs of PPP shout at their leadership against govt’s policies and threaten to resign and there is lot more to it, given that the process continues, these political parties would learn to adopt strategies in line with public interest.
But when a party who take a stand that there is not going to be any compromise with any of the main stream party, all the party leadership should be either hanged or jailed or thrown out of country, everyone is corrupt (and this is mainly because most of Pakistanies are corrupt) and only i am clean, no one have vision and only i am the only visionary leader since Quaid-a-Azam. Things like these would certainly give a sense/message to the party workers that it is them who are the savior of the nation and everyone else is enemy of the nation and hence they have to take whatever way possible to eliminate national enemy!
These things would even get worse if PTI looses election ( remember just like SSP, MQM and Taliban PTI’s supporters are young blood who are more than emotional) , even their official writer says that they are not going to win more than 40 seats in NA, in the assembly of 272 elected members, a party with 40 seats at max cannot form or lead a govt, and as per the new mantra the official writer ( Haroon Rasheed) has adopted (which is contradicting to 40 seats one) is only if there is free and fair election, PTI can win and he have not limited himself here, he went on saying that PML-N and PPP have already agreed and planned to rig the next elections…
http://natamam.com/News/election_preparation
This post is getting too long, i’ll try to conclude it in next
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Now given the followings:
1) Hatred against the political parties Spread by PTI
In any country, the political parties basically have three roles, 1) to educate their activists and through them create awareness
2) Act as a medium between the state and public
3) based on above too, represent public in govt and act in there interest...
All the three stated above are key elements, removing one of them would turn any political party into a Mafia..
2) Hatred for the Army and Intelligence agencies in the public for intervening in political process
The Army and Intelligence Agencies in Pakistan have somehow managed to get bad name by either directly getting into govt and promoting those who are rejected or by hanging popular political figures, not many now a days (unlike old days) believe that the army can do any good if they come to power.
3) Already spreading the message that the only way to win elections is free and fair elections
4) Using journalist saying that the rigging plan is already in action and next elections would not be free and fair, in other words either PML-N or PPP or who ever (other than PTI) would forms govt is not the result of what people have voted hence is not legitimate govt and then there will be new series of anarchy for which the NET PRACTICE is on:
These aimless Dharnas, which started from Peshawar, to stop the Drone attacks but was winded up in two days and then continued in Karachi to test the waters there followed by a call of Dharna turned into a Jalsa in Multan and then announcement of 4 Dharnas in month of Ramadan during the hot and humid August ( and then taking the call back) are evident enough to show that all these are just preparation of something real big... something which we may have not seen in Punjab since 1970s... otherwise who would plan these blunders?
The only difference this time would be instead of Army, it would be international forces which would take control in the name of peace-making force and that peace-making force is already in Afghanistan...
The game is on in Karachi, the disturbance in the city and call for Army in the city when simple steps chould have been enough to impose law and order explains alot
I agree that we need the change, we need better management but it won't come from Mars, it has to come from inside and that from us, we need to force these established political leaders to take public-interest in account ,and not somebody like Imran Khan who have not been able to organize his party at UC level some basic requirement in parliamentary form of govt in last 16 years would bring the same level and quality of change what Obama have brought in USA...
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This thread is hilarious. YES Pakistanis want all the political parties banished, at least in the urban areas, there's a massive disdain for politicians at large and even Imran is given a lot of flack for being a "siyasatdaan" he only gets away coz his PR is great and he's done solid public service work. PPP, PMLN, MQM there track record is known to all and no one wants them back, just go back in history even when PMLN won with 70% votes in 1997 Mush was welcomed with 80% approval ratings when he took over. Sigh.
It's a no-brainer that the Dharnas are to mobilize the people, build public pressure on concerned quarters, as would happen in any decent self respecting democracy, the ONLY guy who's out there with the public and not sheltered with an army of security around him. Double sigh. Seriously as Pakistanis are doomed they don't even believe in standing up for what's right.
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like the policies or stances ( not all) taken by PML-N, i like it when the MNAs and MPAs of PPP shout at their leadership against govt's policies and threaten to resign and there is lot more to it, given that the process continues, these political parties would learn to adopt strategies in line with public interest..
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Tell me WHERE this has happened lol...they DARE shout at their leadership.
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I now just have some reservations
(For males only)
If they are with colored hair, hair transplant or Whig.
Know them as Do numbri دو نمبری
He could be an actor or joker but not a leader.
I am sorry
Our 95 % leaders will be out
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Imran may have made mistakes, he may not win many seats becaause he refuses to do corrupt deals like Sharif, and he refuses to kill people like Altaf Hussain.
But he is the only politician in Pakistan who genuinely cares for the country.
If he loses, this is a loss for the whole country.
Do you think he is capable of dealing with current dismal situation? What is his economic and foreign policies? What he thinks about future relations with Uncle Sam? He does not have any agenda, no vision, no program. His only honesty or genuine love for the country can not deal with above problems. His party is almost anonymous and full of duffers. I don't expect any miracle either.
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PTI has offered its support for tomorrow's youm-e-soGh , announced by MQM :D
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That is not correct. Mumtaz Bhutto perhaps was most strong CM of Sindh in history of Pakistan. He created differences with ZAB and replaced by Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi, long before murdood displaced legally elected government.