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Re: Another kick in govt…

@Haris Zuberi

^more assumptions, good for you.

No more quotes this time, just a few points;
change of goal posts it may seem to you since you were the one assuming I had been talking in this context exclusively of this bar council address. Though initiated referring to it, it wasn’t too hard to deduce my comments were on what has been going on since last month.

Assumptions…what assumption? Is suspension of constitution by Mush and co. an assumption? Are the Chaudhary’s of Gujrat, the Faisal Saleh Hayats of wherever and Sherpao’s of somewhere, being part of the Mush tag team, an assumption? Is NAB closing the Bhutto trial office an assumption? Is taking over of hundreds of kanals of hari zameen in Okara an assumption? Is the capitulation of the govt. in Jamia Hafsa an assumption? Is changing 3 PM’s in 3 months and making a mockery of the country an assumption? Is mass rigging of the elections an assumption? Is a farcical referendum to get elected an assumption? Is being only the 4 countries of the world to be ruled by military an assumption? Of course not. Those r not assumptions I’ll tell u what assumption is.

Assumption is trying to suspend the CJP cuz he might give a verdict against the uniform
Assumption is trying to fire the CJP cuz he might give a verdict against dual nationality holders in the assembly.
Assumption is trying to make deals with the same overlords who u diss now.

I say be careful for tomorrow u might have to bend to those who u paint with black today. Thats the path ur man in khaki, the supreme commander of all that is pure and leader of the honest brigade has chosen for you.

@Haris Zuberi

As for your noble cause, it may be one, but is supporting the CJ one too? And yes I’d address my attention to this noble cause the day all more pressing noble causes in Pakistan are addressed first, which have been neglected not since 1999 but way back. And meanwhile what would you agree to do if the CJ is eventually found guilty?

You have refused to either support or reject the noble cause. Do I take it as a No? I have already responded to ur question abt what I would do if the CJP is found guilty. U’ll find it in my last post.
Hint: The frying part. Do not take it literally though.

Lastly, I think it needs no clarification but since you asked, yes I am supporting a noble cause. I am supporting the CJP. U r supporting a dictator. Who’s noble, who’s not. Let the audience be the judge.

@Haris Zuberi

As for the chowkidaar; the diff lies in how you feel abt those *chowkidars *in the first place, which reflects in your language. anyone defending me and ready to lay life for whatever reward, is more than just a chowkidar.

hey I don’t remember hiring this *chowkidar *to conquer his own country. I hired him to fight someone with a gun, not someone with a pen. He gives me no alternative but to reserve the choicest of words for him. This is not a reflection of how I feel for the soldier grinding his ass in the field. No way. But I do have an issue with generals having swimming pools in their residences and half a dozen cars for personal use. How can u expect them to fight? How shameful. Incapable of mustering enough courage to finger the enemy, they’ve turned on the very hand that feeds them. What does it say about the general and his team of patloon wearing yes men. Look at them capitulate like teddy bears in front of jamia hafsa. I say HA HA. Serves them right.

@Haris Zuberi

there are lots of other more *lowly *servants in the hierarchy of govt servants to be held accountable for your tax-money and their duties and services before getting to judge the khakis. You may hire and pay someone to cook, clean, wash, entertain you, you cant hire someone to die for you, and by you I mean what’s us and ours; Pakistan. They are a breed apart for their willingness to die for Pakistan. Of course some questionable elements aren’t 0 anywhere. And by your example, I’d also wonder if you consider the PM/President and ministers your servants too? Technically they, as well as khakis, are, but the protocols of dealing with servants vary, servant to servant, house to house. Plus, why are only the *chowkidars *always facing the brunt? Aren’t the various *diwans *and *munshis *much more to blame? Have the presidents and prime ministers of the past always been angels? Where is the public wrath when they smuggle valuable antiques to their palaces abroad? Where is the wrath and hatred when they steal money from the public; their tax money, their foreign currency accounts, their donations, and build their palaces in the heart of Pakistan on Pakistani money, make their pvt palaces official second PM residences and grant their selves massive privileges there? why dont people realize its their money ad they their servants then? why the anger for the khaki only?

Not in a thousand years could I have imagined to write an indictment as damning to the President as you urself have done. So I would like to take this opportunity and say THANK YOU sir. U have made my job a lot easier.

I am not going to defend NS or BB. I never voted for them. So I refuse to carry the burden of their deeds or misdeeds. So please aim ur guns somewhere else. I would like to ask u answer ur own question, however. Why are the looters and plunderers of the national wealth not being dealt with? Why instead of being in the jail, they r either in London, Dubai or in cabinet? And if the recent news of the deal r to be believed, it is further indictment against the general and his cabal of henchmen. WHY? Is it for national security or personal security? The general is no different than NS or BB when it comes to power politics. If anything he’s proving to be much worse. Will u continue to praise the lord if he makes a deal with those u diss? Think fast.

@Haris Zuberi

And, the support for the *dictator *is not synonymous with opposing the CJ. The point is simply that for anyone hell bent on getting rid of Musharraf, the CJ and his issue is a god-sent opportunity to try and get rid of him. And all the wrongs attached with Musharraf come up. But why was this CJ and those preceding him so silent about those wrongs till March 2007, which were suddenly uncovered last month? They were all considered right by this very CJ till he was in the good books, the moment he sensed hostilities and changed stance, all wrongs, dating as back as 1999 have started floating.

…The CJ was on the team of pro-dictator Musharraf-Army-constitution suspending-advisors-wizards who sided with the Mush govt after 1999 and was also one of the few who played a role in requesting Rafiq Tarar and relieving him of his presidency in 2001.

Say it louder sir, cuz I don’t hear u condemn other justices of the same bench who sided with Mush. They were as much part of the same political wheel dealing as the CJP. Why be selective? R v so blind as to not even think for ourself? Do we think based on govt. press releases? Aren’t u the one who came up with this:

If one wants everything by the book, they should also start from page 1 of that book.

What happened?

Also, realize that the more u question the CJP’s actions, the more it boomerangs on ur own general. The more dirt u throw on him to make ur case stronger, the weaker u will get in defending the general. Its an inverse relationship. If he’s so bad, Y did the general choose such a judge in the first place? Y did u not object then? Were u sleeping? Why now? Is this an indictment on the general’s choice or on the judge’s behavior? I hope u understand what I am trying to say.

Also ponder over this, if this judge is so bad..read the Bukhari letter, then lawyers should be celebrating his dismissal. Much like the police in Karachi Why r they supporting him? Why has this judge radicalized the opinion so much? Mush has sent judges home before. Whats different this time? R u going to sweep everything under the carpet of political ambitions? I think not. It would be a tragedy to think so. Heck even govt. doesnt accuse the lawyers for being political. I hope we r not more loyal than the king.

@Haris Zuberi

And yes 1999 before 2005, 6 before 209…But also Sharif before Musharraf, BB before Sharif, Zia before her, Bhutto before him and so on…the misery didn’t start in 1999 you know.

Thats what i am saying. What has Mushy uncle done in 7.5 years of his rule? He let NS go foreign govt’s jumped in. But did he hold NS for corruption or for personal reasons? If for corruption, then why did he let him go? It was for the nation to decide. If for personal reasons, then why not for corruption? U must realize, u cant have the cake and eat it too. U praise the general yet u criticize the very elements he is in bed with.

@Haris Zuberi

My concern is not whether the CJ is a good guy or bad, heck I’d still call him my CJP if the govt withdraws the reference tomorrow and not raise any hue-cry against him. Whether his actions are considered right or wrong would then depend from person to person, and for those that have mattered during this campaign to decide what to publicly label them for history to remember. My concern is simply, why take this opportunity to raise all issues against Musharraf to get rid of him? If you feel I’m against the CJ because I’m pro-Mush. Then are you with the CJ just because youre anti-Mush?

I am not anti-Mush. In fact, I’ve defended him in Gilgit, where the situation is so bad and the hatred for army so much its almost like u r in an occupied country. Imagine the rangers entering homes and dragging women out grabbing their hair. Firing INTO the civilians. Needless to say them guys r not exactly in love with mush. BUT I defended him in all the political discussions with my local hosts. I defended him in my village where my farmer cousin lamented the lack of trickle down. I defended him against my uncle in air force. U should know, for sake of clarity of positions, I have been an ardent supporter of Mush all along. But never in my wildest imagination did I realize he would take such a stupid stupid action. My respect for Mush evaporated overnight. I may have preferred Mushy over NS and BB but I don’t prefer him over my judiciary. Having played his cards, its obvious Mush will not stop at anything to stay in power. Its a wrong idea and can have harmful consequences. I have no personal enmity or personal affection for Mush or CJP, I am only defending the judiciary and u have my word, I will continue to do so.