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@Haris Zuberi

First please be informed that what I say is not limited to what goes on at Bar Councils and his addresses there amidst slogans. Rather all what goes in the name of the CJ’s *prestige *these days, esp at Constitution Avenue Isl every time there’s a hearing.

Changing goal posts..I’ll play along :chai:

So what goes on outside the SJC, right/wrong? Legal/illegal?

@Haris Zuberi

So when I mention what the reference against him is about, he is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty and my sense of justice is inverse.

U don’t just mention it

@Haris Zuberi

And when I talk about whether his actions mentioned in the allegations are considered *right *or *wrong *(and not legal or illegal) you bring this card;

U pass judgments based on allegations that have not been proven in the court. Otherwise, why r u telling me appointing ur son through favors is wrong? I already know.

@Haris Zuberi

Actually it was you who said so and so and a few more found nothing wrong with his actions thereby adding weight to the impression that jis ki lathi uski bhens, and you endorsed that. If it isn’t so, shouldn’t those you mentioned state somewhere that the allegations in the reference are infact wrong acts that should not be committed, atleast not by a CJ. Or are they too waiting for the SJC verdict to decide whether they think his actions as mentioned in the reference are right or wrong? Some equation of morality.

I was under the impression that we were talking about the CJP’s address to the bar. Those comments were in reference to that.

@Haris Zuberi

it goes back in circle to the above argument. what connection says that if CJ is found guilty the Pro-Musharraf should admit he’s guilty of becoming head of state too…

The connection that says selective application of law. All else equal, If u r going to hold accountable the head of one pillar of the state for breaking the law, then I dont see why u urself should not present urself for accountability. Why does no law exist for the general. oh wait. it does. Its called Article 6.

@Haris Zuberi

the only comparison was shown to mirror the fact that while many ProCJ are AntiMush and term his takeover wrong, while the actions of the CJ are in waiting to be declared right or wrong depending on what the SJC does.

Alright. U dont like people showering Mushy with all sorts of pleasantries or u cant understand the support for a corrupt CJP? Whatever the reason, lets say Mushy uncle is only alleged to have suspended the constitution, <Did Mushy do this out of force of habit…“suspend” the CJP? Didnt work this time, did it?:hehe:> would u be willing to support a petition against him to be tried for treason. Its a noble cause, besides dreaming.

Anyway, I belive I asked a simple question, with a yes/no answer. Would u be willing to be part of a petition that seeks to try the tin pot warrior for high treason? Yes/ No? How simple is that?

@Haris Zuberi

Plus what makes Musharraf the biggest *chor *i.e. thief? First he may be many other things but not a chor, and if he is, he may certainly not e the biggest in Pakistan, guaranteed.

And ur guarantee is worth exactly what? Try giving these guarantees to the hari’s in Okara.

BBCUrdu.com

@Haris Zuberi

Not the best, but also not the least I can do. There’s breed of Pakistanis that refuse even to dream for Pakistan, but are all alert to gain from Pakistan and absent when it comes to giving.
Plus, a dream was where Iqbal was inspired, and a dream was where Jinnah had begun.
If dreaming is such lowly an act, enlighten us about what have you ‘done’?

I pay taxes. And some ass hole who I thought I was paying to defend my borders comes and imposes himself on me. Thats like my own *chowkeedar *robbing me in day-light. Please excuse the French. I’d be more than just upset abt it. There’s a word for such variety in Urdu…oh yeah. namak haram.

@Haris Zuberi

Actually yes, what I state is also based on what I see, the diff is in the eye, and the fact that you’re talking about what you see at micro level i.e. isolated events at this bar and that. (btw are you a wakeel and did you watch them live and are you following him to all bars he visits or did you watch them on some TV?) While I talk collectively about what I see or saw during the past four weeks. There’s little inference, everything that happens is for all to see, but what can be done if even vision is selective.

The discussion started from a micro event that u picked up. Now u changing goal posts. What can I do? And if u really prefer macro over micro..lets see things in an even bigger picture here:

Junta vs Judiciary. U r supporting a dictator against the Chief Justice. And correct me if I am wrong, but suspending the constitution by force is a lot wronger than the wrongs committed by CJP. And el presidante should be held accountable for it. For all I care, fry the CJP if he’s proven but dont hurt my intelligence by dipping the president in honey, and taking the moral high ground of dreaming for pakistan. Such dreams, we r better without. The messiah from barracks needs to be roasted for his crimes. Thats ur bigger picture. As for ur questions, I am neither a wakeel nor part of any political party. Hope this clears any confusions u might have.

@Haris Zuberi

No contradictions, a fact is a fact. If one wants everything by the book, they should also start from page 1 of that book.

Now u talking. Article six comes a heck of a long time before article 209. 1999 also comes a heck of a long time before 2005. Whichever way u choose to look at it, the General i corked.