Another discussion on Ahmadis (Split from: Would you marry a muslim from another 'sect'?)

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Paaga_nsaan July 18, 2003, 3:58am 41

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*Originally posted by ahsan225: *

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In my opinion belief in the Finality of Prophethood IS a fundamental belief to become a muslim. and thats where the Ahmedies make a jump. well I also quote a verse from the Qur'aan :

"O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)

TC

Ahsan
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Thats not the answer to my question, because:

#1 - Correct your translation:

M. Pikthal: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.

Arberry: Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of God, and the Seal of Prophets; God has knowledge of everything.

Sher Ali: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Daryabadi: Muhammad is not the father of any of your males, but the apostle of Allah and the seal of the prophets; and Allah of everything is ever the Knower.

E. H. Palmer: Mohammed is not the father of any of your men, but the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets; for God all things doth know!

Qaribullah: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men. He is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets. Allah has knowledge of all things.

Yousaf Ali: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Ayub Khan: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets; and God has knowledge of everything.

Remember, that you have the right to say 'Seal of Prophets' means 'last in the line of Prophets', but you dare not change the words of the Koran to suit your meaning! The phrase that occurs in the Koran is simply, 'Khaatamun Nabiyyeen', which word did you translate as 'last' and which word did you translate as 'line'?

#2: My question is, where does it state in the Koran or Hadith that whosoever does not translate or comprehend the 'Seal' as the end, is to be called a Kafir?

Lajawab July 18, 2003, 5:40am 42

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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *

Thats not the answer to my question, because:

#1 - Correct your translation:

M. Pikthal: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.

Arberry: Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of God, and the Seal of Prophets; God has knowledge of everything.

Sher Ali: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Daryabadi: Muhammad is not the father of any of your males, but the apostle of Allah and the seal of the prophets; and Allah of everything is ever the Knower.

E. H. Palmer: Mohammed is not the father of any of your men, but the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets; for God all things doth know!

Qaribullah: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men. He is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets. Allah has knowledge of all things.

Yousaf Ali: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Ayub Khan: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets; and God has knowledge of everything.

Remember, that you have the right to say 'Seal of Prophets' means 'last in the line of Prophets', but you dare not change the words of the Koran to suit your meaning! The phrase that occurs in the Koran is simply, 'Khaatamun Nabiyyeen', which word did you translate as 'last' and which word did you translate as 'line'?

*#2: My question is, where does it state in the Koran or Hadith that whosoever does not translate or comprehend the 'Seal' as the end, is to be called a Kafir?
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Not everything has to be written down. Seal means end of prophethood. Like you seal an envelope. Any person who takes it any other way is an idiot or a kafir.

Paaga_nsaan July 18, 2003, 6:47am 43

^

Ai'sha, may God be pleased with her, our mother insisted:

''Say: He is the Seal of Prophets; and do not say: There is no prophet after Him.'' (Durr-e-Mansoor Volume 5 Page 204)

What was she Lajawab? An Idiot? or a Kafir?

system July 18, 2003, 8:01pm 44

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *

Thats not the answer to my question, because:

#1 - Correct your translation:

#2: My question is, where does it state in the Koran or Hadith that whosoever does not translate or comprehend the 'Seal' as the end, is to be called a Kafir?
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1: my translation is not wrong to the best of my knowledge.. i have extracted it from the very famous translation and tafaseer of the Quraan by Syed Abul A'la Maududi.

2: lajawab has given you an answer to it ... i want to add to it that there is a hadith where the holly prophet says :

" If (there had to be ) a prophet after me .. it would have been Umar
or Abu Bakar (razi allah taalaa unha ) "

we all know without a spec of doubt that these two never claimed prophethood ... so any other person who claims to be a prophet is false amd those who follow such people are not muslims !!

and If the Seal of Prophethood does not depict the end of prophethood which other prophet had such a seal engraved in His body ???

Ahsan

Degas July 18, 2003, 8:05pm 45

I gues this post was about "wouyld u marry from another sect" .. its a personal view if one wants to marry in another sect or not.. sunni and shia inter-marry.. ahmadis are not allowed to do that..

system July 21, 2003, 6:39pm 46

Here is the reason accordng to Ahmedis I have spoken why they will not give their daughters in marriage to Sunnis.
The reason is because our society is so backwards... A daughter is considered the IZUTH of the family. When a Sunni men takes an Ahmedi wife, other Sunni's see it as a victory for themselves. For these sick individuals, it tantamount to raping your greatest enemies daughter.
So Ahmedis do not allow the women in the family to marry outside ahmadiyt, so in order to prevent this.

system July 21, 2003, 6:42pm 47

Re: Re: Would you marry a muslim from another 'sect'?

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*Originally posted by arshadalii23: *

off course sects r man made but i have seen different sects doing such  nasty things which bieng a muslim u can never tolerate .
so i can never marry a gul from different sect .

i dont say all of them r wrong but ahamedis and shias r really not acceptable.
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The way Sunni's have changed Islam into something evil, I dont think many Sunnis should be tolerated either....
You know, most Shia's would say the same about Sunnis... Wonder who is right?!

system July 21, 2003, 6:44pm 48

This is ridiculous.. The Shada, the initiation into Islam, requirs you to say i believe in god and prophet Muhamad as his messenser.. Where in world does it say anything about the finality?

Degas July 21, 2003, 7:39pm 49

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*Originally posted by PaKpatriot1: *
This is ridiculous.. The Shada, the initiation into Islam, requirs you to say i believe in god and prophet Muhamad as his messenser.. Where in world does it say anything about the finality?
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.. and it sure does Mirza as messenger of God !!!

Spock July 21, 2003, 7:43pm 50

Right now, I think its best of an ahmedi marries an ahmedi, as I think it would cause problems amongst the families if intermarriages took place, even if the husband and wife have a good understanding and a relationship.