From the "roots " thread in culture Chanji would rather pick u up as young sikh as u are realated to Marak Singh - I can only trace to rajput Hindus.. though they also fight first then think !
Degas yar, if you didn't get the Sikh joke then it's ok. You don't have to show off your Rajputness!
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Degas yar, if you didn't get the Sikh joke then it's ok. You don't have to show off your Rajputness!
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I knew that joke but dunno where ur referencing... I said so many things...
sigh Let me explain ... in very simple terms. It was on your comment that Ahmadis would wanna kill some too if they could & will in the future. It's similar to the Sikh beating up because they think that in future people in the next village will eat their crop, the same crop they haven't even sowed yet.
It's so annoying when people don't get your joke, I almost feel like George Bush.
Dont be dishearted it was good joke I assure u but the worst sikh joke I ever heard.. as the ahmadi guy refered to killing of Shias I responded the same would happen as hate ridden elements are in every sect and faith.. just check back in early 1970's what ahmadis did..
Degas, please do enlighten us all what Ahmadis did back in the 1970s.
yara its mazedar topic he .. shadi wadi ka.. kisi aur waqt sahi.. for now i aagre with u ahmadis are the most non-violent people in the world (kicking aside budhits)
Actually Degas it's a very touchy subject. My eldest brother was mobbed by a bunch of people with axes and even though his physical wounds healed, it had a devastating effect on his psychological condition. My Chacha who was at GC Lahore had his thesis paper burned in front of him a couple of weeks before by fellow students and Allah bless his sole computer wasn't invented, so he had to write it all over again. Astagfarullah!
Yeah ... let's not talk about it.
violence has no religion - i have seen it coming from all sects and faiths.. good and bad peopel are everywhere.. I have seen my ahmadi friends brother-in-law who was a doctor killed by senseless murderes ..
Re: Would you marry a muslim from another 'sect'?
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i personally believe.. that sects are man made.. im a muslim.. not a shia, sunni, ahemedi.. or nething else.. so personally it wouldnt matter to me if i marred a muslim that was classified by society as a different sect to mine...... as its only Allah Mians decision to differentiate..
anyways... how many of you would or wouldnt marry a person who is from a different 'sect' and why...
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off course sects r man made but i have seen different sects doing such nasty things which bieng a muslim u can never tolerate .
so i can never marry a gul from different sect .
i dont say all of them r wrong but ahamedis and shias r really not acceptable.
Re: Re: Would you marry a muslim from another ‘sect’?
yar i simply do not understand what you mean to point out … Ahmedis are out of the question ( they are definitely non-muslims .. b’coz they do not believe in Hazrat Muhammad :saw: as the last prophet)… but what do u find nasty in shias ?? they are respectfull and devoted to AAL E Rasool and that is nothing nasty !! is it so that we (being sunnis) do not respect Hazarat Fatimaa, Hazrat Ali and the rest of the Aal E rasool ?? i ask u that do u not condemn and mourn the martydom of Hazrat Hussain ?? the thing is that only our way of expression is different …
regards
Ahsan Subhan
FAST NU karachi
hmmm Ahmedi's do believe that Mohammad was the last rasool.... isnt it Qaddiyanis who dont?
well in my knowledge ahmedies do believe hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) to be a prophet but not the last prophet .. i thinkl they say that their leader mirza is also a prophet and thats ehy i wrote them as non muslims !!
Ahsan
hmmm im not certain... im sure others will correct me.. but i was told that the difference b/w Qaddiyanis and Ahmedis was that Qaddiyanis believed Mirza Ahmed was a prophet.. whereas Ahmedis just acknowledged him... not sure
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Sadzzz:
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
Ahmadiyya
(äh m d´ y) (KEY) , a contemporary messianic movement founded (1899) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839–1908), b. in Qadiyan in the Punjab. His Barahin-i Ahmadiyya, which he began to publish in 1880, was well received by his Islamic community. In 1889, he announced that he had received a divine revelation authorizing him to accept the baya, the allegiance of the faithful; he later also declared himself the Mahdi and the Messiah (masih) (1891), an avatar of Krishna (1904) and the manifestation (buruz) of Muhammad. His doctrine, incorporating Indian, Sufi, Islamic, and Western elements, attempted to revitalize Islam in the face of the British raj, Protestant Christianity, and resurgent Hinduism. After his death, his followers elected Mawlana Nur ad-Din as his successor. Nur ad-Din died in 1914, and the community split into two branches. The majority remained in Qadiyan and recognized Ghulam Ahmad as prophet (nabi). The founder’s son, Hadrat Mirza Bashir ad-Din Mahmud Ahmad (1889–1965), was chosen as caliph al-Masih II by this Qadiyani branch, known today as the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam (jamaat-i ahmadiyya). His half-century of leadership shaped the movement, operating since 1947 out of the city of Rabwah (which they founded and gave a Qur’anically inspired name) in Pakistan and administering a network of schools and hospitals. The other branch, less willing to distinguish itself from mainstream Islam, recognized Ghulam Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) and established what came to be known as the ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam movement in Lahore, Pakistan. The basic belief held by the Qadiyani community is that it is the sole embodiment of “True Islam.” Both branches engage in energetic missionary activity in Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Indian subcontinent. Orthodox Islam has never accepted Ghulam Ahmad’s visions, and Ahmadis in Pakistan have faced religious and political attacks to the extent that they have been declared apostate and non-Muslim by the country’s religious and political elite. A 1984 Pakistani government decree banned the use of Islamic forms of worship by Ahmadis. The Ahmadis today number perhaps 10 million, concentrated in Pakistan, with substantial communities in India and Africa and a global proselityzing network.
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well in my knowledge ahmedies do believe hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) to be a prophet but not the last prophet .. i thinkl they say that their leader mirza is also a prophet and thats ehy i wrote them as non muslims !!
Ahsan
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Ahsan,
Can you please quote where in the Koran or the Hadith does it say that a belief in the 'Finality of Prophethood' is a fundamental belief to call yourself a Muslim?
The original Arabic phrase has been translated by all independant Shia, Sunni and Non Muslim English translators or the Koran as 'Seal of Prophets'. All Ahmadis believe in this doctrine but associate to it a different meaning than you do. How can you justify calling them Kafir?
Remember, Imam Razi had stated the rule: ﻞﻳﻭﺎﺘﻟﺍ ﻞﻫﺍ ﺮﻔﮑﺗ ﺎﻟ ﻭ . i.e. The people of Taweel should not be called Kafir. (Tafseerul Kabeer Volume 1 Page 172).
^ i dont think ur a kafir
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Ahsan,
Can you please quote where in the Koran or the Hadith does it say that a belief in the 'Finality of Prophethood' is a fundamental belief to call yourself a Muslim?
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In my opinion belief in the Finality of Prophethood IS a fundamental belief to become a muslim. and thats where the Ahmedies make a jump. well I also quote a verse from the Qur'aan :
"O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)
TC
Ahsan
people i observe we are drifting away from the topic of the thread !!!
Ahsan
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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *
I thought it was ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻝﻮﺳﺭ ﺪﻤﺤﻣ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﺎﻟﺍ ﻪﻟﺍ ﺎﻟ where does it state the word 'last'??
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In the Quran...
"O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)