one small correction. Muhammad [PBUH] is God’s LAST messenger. this is where ahmadi’s jump in with their mirza and if you don’t think that’z wrong then you too are not a muslim as well. if you still believe that ahmadi too are just a sect of islam and nothing else then you are shunning the very basics of islam. 
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one small correction. Muhammad [PBUH] is God's LAST messenger. this is where ahmadi's jump in with their mirza and if you don't think that'z wrong then you too are not a muslim as well. if you still believe that ahmadi too are just a sect of islam and nothing else then you are shunning the very basics of islam. :-)
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I thought it was ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻝﻮﺳﺭ ﺪﻤﺤﻣ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﺎﻟﺍ ﻪﻟﺍ ﺎﻟ where does it state the word 'last'??
I wouldnt mind marrying again- though my wife would certainly. I dont think there is any problem.. my bhabi is shia and so are few other in my family.. I never place myself in any sect.. I know Ahmadi men are allowed to marry out of their sects but women cant!
Doggus, where did you learn that?
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Doggus, where did you learn that?
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I have many ahmadi friends.. Once I quoted a passage from a book from Mirza's son.. and few of my friends were told to become Ahmadis first before they can marry ahmadi girls... but Ahmadi men can marry outside...
Degas, that's not true. Both Ahmadi men and women are to be married to Ahmadis. If you marry outside, and the other person does not convert, you can be kicked out of Ahmadiyat. But if you are well off (money and stuff) you can continue to enjoy being an Ahmadi. Actually, Ahmadis are very organized (more so than Jews) and straying from the guidelines can mean, one is no longer part of the Jammat. As funny as it may sound, Ahmadis by the West (I will dig out an Atlantic Monthly article for you) are perceived as the "most" conservative sect of Islam.
I personally think that it should not be upto the Jammat to decide who is an Ahmadi and who is not. It should be upto the individual to decide what he/she is. I am proud to be an Ahmadi.
NYA,
I posted this before too... may be u can clarify this passage.. and beside marriage to non-ahmadi muslim feel about non-ahmadi muslims in relation to this passage.. or this passage is just not made up? I know ahmadi follow some of it like not offering namaz for non-ahmadi dead etc...
second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:
"Our worship has been separated from the non-Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What is then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious and the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughters (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of christians as well. If you say why do we salaam to non-Ahmadis, then the reply to this is that the Prophet (Muhammad) has said salaam to the Jews.. thus the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) has separated us in all possible ways from the others; and there is no kind of relationship which is particular to Muslims and we are not forbidden from (entering) into that." (Kalimatul Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad in Review of Religions, vol.14, No. 3-4, p.159)
Degas, that's what I have been told as well. Ahmadis men and women are forbidden to marry non-Ahmadis. Mirza Bashir-ud-din Ahmad uses Girls (daughters) as an example, but he means both Men and Women. This is what I was told. I personally don't take it that seriously, but I know a lot of Ahmadis do. I know a lot of Ahmadis who have married non-Ahmadis (mulsims, christians). A girl cousin of mine is going to marry a Jew, and boy don't ask what kind of trouble the poor girl is facing. I am supporting her all the way.
I salute ur broadmindedness - but was asking about the general things Ahmadis are mandated to follow.. u will realize ahmadis share blame for the hatred equally...
NYA bhaijaan,
No one can kick you out of Ahmadiyyat, the true Islam. It's a faith, and faith is a matter of heart and belief. The Ahmadiyya jama'at, on the other hand, is an organization and a movement! To be part of it, you have to follow the rules. This is no different than the rules of any other organization, be it secular, social or religious.
Degas yar, get over the fact that an Ahmadi rejected you because you didn't have faith.
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NYA bhaijaan,
No one can kick you out of Ahmadiyyat, the true Islam. It's a faith, and faith is a matter of heart and belief. The Ahmadiyya jama'at, on the other hand, is an organization and a movement! To be part of it, you have to follow the rules. This is no different than the rules of any other organization, be it secular, social or religious.
Degas yar, get over the fact that an Ahmadi rejected you because you didn't have faith.
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i should post this in joke section :-)
lol.. no one rejected me.. though unknowingly u opened an interesting flashback.. dunno we may both were too coward at that time..
NY, As an Ahmedi, you its only the girls’ that are not to be married outside the community. It is a discretionary rule of the Ahmadiyya Community to disallow guys to marry outside the community as well.
And yes, they do not have the right to say who is Ahmedi and who isn’t. But they say we do not kick people out of the faith, but only kick a member out of the community for not following its rules, and its just a way to say they should not be associated to them.
I’ve personally seen that all you have to do is, write an application of apology and they take you back in. I know a guy who runs a video rental store, he got into stealing motorbikes and they kicked him out of the Jamaat. He never apologized but he does come to the masjid as usual.
I also know of a few guys from Hafizabad, who organized a Mujra dance on their daughter’s marriege, and were kicked out of the Jamaat. lol they did not have the slightest regret though, one of them said to me angrily:
- Ai jamaat aaliyaan noo vee wekho na jee!! Ik tay pailay ee Ahmedi thorray jaye nay, utton hor kaddi jaanday nay! *
seems like ahmadi mullah are as draconian as in any other sect :D
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lol.. no one rejected me.. though unknowingly u opened an interesting flashback.. dunno we may both were too coward at that time..
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Do you know the popular Pakistani yesteryear actresses, and now director, Shamim Ara? Well her son Salman, whom I happen to know, fell in love with an Ahmedi girl in the UK. They wrote to Mirza Taher Ahmed Saheb, and he suggested that according to the rules, he should sign a bait form, and stay in England 'under observation' for one year, before he will be accepted into the community and allowed to marry the girl! And the guy is actually doing that! :)
Not at all, coz none of them shoots 55 shias to go to heaven!
may be they are not capable of doing that.. but would be wishing they can do it.. that was the reason there were no mullahs in Islam and each muslim needed to learn about religion.. this franchise of Mullah is destructive be it from any sect including Ahmadis..
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Do you know the popular Pakistani yesteryear actresses, and now director, Shamim Ara? Well her son Salman, whom I happen to know, fell in love with an Ahmedi girl in the UK. They wrote to Mirza Taher Ahmed Saheb, and he suggested that according to the rules, he should sign a bait form, and stay in England 'under observation' for one year, before he will be accepted into the community and allowed to marry the girl! And the guy is actually doing that! :)
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haye ladki cheez hi aesi hoti he.. so what if repent after marriage.. would nikah be automatically revoked or Khalifa sahib had to interfere..
Degas, there is a Punjabi joke where in a village a group of Sikh elders were pondering on what crop to grow for the next year so that it will be most profitable. They decided to go with the sugar-cane. Everyone agreed but one old man. He argued that the Muslims from the next village will come eat it all and it will be a disaster! Hearing this, the young ones in the crowd took up their sticks, went to the next village & beat the hell out of all the Muslims. When the victims protested, the young men proclaimed, "Don't you dare steel our sugar-cane again"!!!
Sometimes you think just like a young Sikh! I am sure Chan bhai will be so proud!
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how can they do that? they are cowards, living in foreign countries and preaching their crap while their followers are suffering [for all the right reasonz] :-)
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'They' who? It's the followers who preach, and the followers who do the administrative work for the Ahmadiyya Community. We're all followers. Unlike Saudi Arabia, we are not a Kingdom.