Angry Pakistanis turn against Pakistan army

A country made for the army. What will the country do if army goes? For decades children in Pakistan have grown up on text-books glorifying the Pakistani army and glossing over its defeat in three wars with India and loss of half the country in 1971 (to become Bangladesh).

Pakistan army people do live a lavish lifestyle.

Angry Pakistanis turn against army

Christina Lamb in Islamabad

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IT IS the most expensive - and talked about - property development in Pakistan, but few can get near it. Hidden behind barbed wire, the new state-of-the-art army headquarter to replace a garrison in Rawalpindi is costing a reputed £1 billion and will cover 2,400 acres of prime land in Islamabad, including lakes, a residential complex, schools and clinics.
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Originally intended to represent the best of Pakistan, the new army HQ is now being seen as a symbol of all that is wrong with the country.

Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.

From the wailing rice-pickers at Bhutto’s grave in the dusty village of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in the southern province of Sindh to the western-educated elite sipping whisky and soda in the drawing rooms of Lahore, the message is the same: General Pervez Musharraf, the president, must go and the army must return to its barracks.

Feelings are running so high that officers have been advised not to venture into the bazaar in uniform for fear of reprisals.

“The interests of the people of Pakistan are now totally at odds with those of the army,” said Asma Jahangir, the head of Pakistan’s Human Rights Commission, who was one of hundreds of lawyers placed under house arrest in November.

“If a civilian president had done what Musharraf has done, he would have been dragged by his hair to the sea.”

It is not just civilians who argue that, if the country is to stay together, power must go back into the hands of the politicians, however corrupt or inept.

Asad Durrani, a retired general, headed the notorious Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) bureau during the 1990 elections when, he admits, it spent millions of dollars to prevent Bhutto being voted back into power. Now he believes the army should step back.

“If you’re in charge for such a long time, you can’t blame anyone else for the state of the country,” he said. “You have to take responsibility for the situation.”

“We’re all trying to get across the message [to Musharraf] that ‘you are the problem’,” said another retired general. “I’m hearing the same from serving generals.”

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For decades children in Pakistan have grown up on text-books glorifying the Pakistani army and glossing over its defeat in three wars and loss of half the country in 1971 (to become Bangladesh). When army chiefs have seized power they have generally been welcomed. The news of Musharraf’s takeover in 1999 was greeted with people handing out sweets. But none of Pakistan’s military rulers have stepped down voluntarily and Musharraf, it seems, is no different, picking an unpopular fight with the country’s judiciary when they tried to take him on.
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Elections scheduled for last week were delayed after Bhutto’s assassination. The new date is February 18, but there is scepticism about whether they will go ahead. A suicide bomb that killed 22 in Lahore last week was seen as another step in creating a climate of insecurity that makes voting impossible.

Even if they do go ahead, the elections are widely expected to be rigged in favour of Musharraf’s allies. Last Wednesday the head of the European Union observer mission visited the president with a list of 10 concerns about a lack of transparency.

Bhutto’s death has left her one-time rival Nawaz Sharif, leader of the Pakistan Muslim League, as the main opposition figure. Although he emerged on the political scene in the 1980s under the patronage of Pakistan’s last military ruler, General Zia ul-Haq, he now insists the army must stop interfering in politics. “The only way to move forward is for people to defy the army and to realise that these generals who keep staging coups are our real enemies,” he told The Sunday Times in an interview at his heavily guarded farmhouse outside Lahore.

“It is not the job of generals to hold the prime minister, cabinet or parliament accountable,” he added. “They are accountable to the people. The army has to go back to barracks or we’ll never have a functioning state.”

Resentment against the men in khaki is particularly acute in Bhutto’s home province of Sindh. To Sindhis, she was killed not because of her stand for democracy and against terrorism but because of where she came from. After her death many Sindhis went on the rampage, burning lorries, trains and banks.

They have been reined in by Bhutto’s husband, Asif Zardari, who has taken over running her Pakistan People’s party. But he warns: “If elections are rigged or don’t go ahead, this may be impossible to contain.”

Those close to Musharraf say he still believes he is the only person able to sort out Pakistan, even though under his rule suicide bombs have become an almost daily occurrence.

“The problem is that 9/11 went to his head,” said Durrani. “After that I found him a changed man. He went from being a pariah to applause, saviour of Pakistan and the West.”

Washington and London are clinging to Musharraf for want of other options and the belief that he represents the best hope of preventing Pakistan’s 50 or so nuclear warheads falling into militant hands. The West had hoped that Bhutto would be brought in as prime minister to provide his regime with a democratic face, but are now working on co-opting Sharif or Zardari.

Sharif, who has received three calls from David Miliband, the foreign secretary, since Bhutto’s assassination, was the prime minister ousted by Musharraf in 1999. He insists that working with Musharraf is not an option.

Were free elections to go ahead and the opposition parties to achieve a two-thirds majority, they would be in a position to impeach the president. But few believe that, with Musharraf’s hand-picked caretaker government overseeing the elections, this is a realistic possibility.

The only way he might go is if the army were to decide he had outlived his purpose.

More than 700 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the fight in the tribal areas against militants said to be linked to Al-Qaeda, and officers admit that morale has not been so low since they lost Bangladesh in 1971.

“We’re being asked to bomb our own people and shrug it off as collateral damage,” said a Mirage pilot. “I call it killing women and children.”

Hope rests on General Ashfaq Kayani, who took command of the army in late November when Musharraf succumbed to pressure to take off his uniform and become a civilian president.

Little is known about Kayani apart from his love of golf and his professionalism as a soldier. He is said to be unhappy about the army’s involvement in politics and might pull back if elections proceed smoothly.

“Nobody is anyone’s man once he becomes commander-in-chief with 700,000 soldiers under his command,” says Imran Khan, the former cricketer turned politician.

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Cant you see, that no one is interested in your Indian propaganda posted here?! We will not feel like giving you Indians the slightest hope for splitting our society. Yes we have had enough for the Army rule lead by Musharraf, which doesnt mean we are against our Army as such. If our brave soldiers wouldnt have stood up against youand your RAW our country would be in pieces after the very first war.

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^^ Ali yaar the article is from Times Online. He did not write what is in the article. So, let us not kill the messenger even if he is an Indian. Also, India has been the bogeyman used by our corrupt generals to keep strangle hold on our society and the people, and justify spending billions on defense, which we should be spending on our criminally neglected social sectors.

As for army I have no respect for it b/c they're responsible screwing up the country, and bringing it to state of collapse. The generals in our country are no better that corrupt politicians, and the only diff. is that we managed to hang, jailed and oust elected PMs, but no general has ever been held accountable for anything ever.

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When part of the body becomes gangrenous, it needs chopping off.

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Very important quote. Shows the problem in the army and public in general where they just don't have the stomach for a full war against the terrorists. That is why Pakistan will lose and Taliban will win, unless attitudes change. After Mush is gone, the next government will be too scared and be forced to negotiate with Taliban and grant them self rule and "sharia" in large areas of their rule. That too will not bring peace, as the mullahs and taliban will want more and more. The rest history will decide.

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Khan, I didnt even read the article and was only refering to the 3 lines he had written above the article.

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Every Army will have to take the risk of loosing civilian lifes. Indian Army in Kashmir is best example. Lets not talk about women and children who lost their lives by Indian Army killings.

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I'm not? We're talking about Pakistan

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Bogus article.

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The International forces are putting immense pressure on Musharaf to step down. This is just another example utter baseless article,written just to put pressure and make ppl think as if the whole Pakistan is against Army.

We love our Army and Armed Forces. May ALLAH bless them more. Yes I do admit that there are few mistakes Top brass of Army has made, and there ar corrupt ppl in Army as well, but that does not take the honuor and credit of whole Army.

Western Media ( with backing of US/UK) is trying its best just to pressurize Musharaf to step down, thats it!!!

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this is pathetic. these are very bad times for the nation.

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so to deal with the mqm when a problem occurs in the future they should go riound killing every woman and child who looks like a muhajir? THANK GOD we have some honest decent people wthin the pak army who dislike bombing women and kids.

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I actually do believe the Army should be around in Politics quiote simply because whoever will be elected will use it to eat the country up again. I know theres corruption in the army and present government but at least the army has practically done somethings for Pakistan ie defend and will fight a war unlike most of us who would probably flee to another country. The army should be used as a check and balance to make sure civlian rulers dont get out of hand. I disagree with them taking over but in 1999 i am glad the army took over Nawaz sharifs rule.
There is alot of glossing over but the fact is a lot of these major problems occur under civlian rulers.

I am sceptical when the writer states they are discouraged from going out in uniform - I see things on TV whic contradict that. This would apply to particular areas more so I guess.

The army sould definitely be discouraged from spending millions to keep whoever they dislike out of power and the lavish lifestyle must be cut back upon. Its a shame so much has been spent on GHQ . Theor political role must be to make sure justice is carried out. They should not prop up whoever they feel like but let nature take itc ourse.

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Propaganda at its best, But InshALLAH desperate attempts by so-called Western Media, will never win anything among a Pakistani.

Whatever our differences will be, but when their is any danger to sovereignty of Pakistan we are all one. Always before and always will be.

Pakistan Army Zindabad :jhanda:

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This article’s just a bunch of Bull at its lowest. Pakistanis will not/Cannot turn against their Army. There are issues facing the nation, but inshaAllah they will get resolved from within. Outer interference will only strengthen us and unite us further.

Pakistan Army is not hated by Pakistanis. Get that straight.

:jhanda:

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^^ is he moving to North Pole too? :D On serious note, the reason our country is in state of disarray and people openly talking about breaking it up is b/c we have no institutions in the country. We need to strengthen our governing institutions, and we must keep the army out of politics. 60 years are enough of army led experiments with our nation, and its time we give our people chance to decide their on fate, by picking govt of their choice who rule them according to their wishes. Its long over due.

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First the discussion was about People are getting against Army, secondly Institutions are important. I am with you on that.

Musharraf has to go, sooner or later, their are some good news coming from Pak. Such as "COAS Gen. Kiyani order army men not to have contact with political people".

ON Serious note, everyone is welcome at Siachen (northpole for us)

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303447_pf.html

Many Pakistanis See Leader As Having Reigned Too Long

By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 14, 2008; A18

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – When he grabbed power in a military coup eight years ago, then-Gen. Pervez Musharraf was cheered here for rescuing Pakistan from corrupt and incompetent politicians who had forestalled democracy and dragged the country to the brink of bankruptcy. Surveys showed an astonishing 70 percent of Pakistanis supported the military’s overthrow of the elected government.

“The armed forces have no intention of staying in charge any longer than absolutely necessary to pave the way for true democracy to flourish in Pakistan,” Musharraf declared in a televised address shortly after seizing power. “This is not martial law; it is only another path to democracy.”

Today, despite transforming himself from military dictator to civilian president, Musharraf has overstayed his welcome, according to critics including politicians, pollsters and citizens on the street. In a poll taken two months ago, 67 percent of those surveyed said he should resign.

“When he took power, we felt that he’d take us down the right path and then go after two or three years, but now he’s been here eight years, and who can question him, who can tell him to go?” said Abdul Rauf, 40, the owner of a men’s shop in Islamabad’s upper-class Jinnah Shopping Market.

For many, Musharraf’s greatest failure has been his inability to break Pakistan’s addiction to dynastic parties and personality cults, evidenced by the 10 years of corrupt, failed governments led by Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, a pair of prime ministers whom Musharraf accused of presiding over an “era of sham democracy.”

“Musharraf’s coup in 1999 was widely perceived as deliverance from the inept and corrupt cycles of political rule by PML and PPP,” or Pakistan Muslim League and Pakistan People’s Party, the parties of Sharif and Bhutto, Pakistani political analyst Rifaat Hussain wrote in an e-mail. “Many of us had pinned hopes on Musharraf to reform the system and lead the way forward.”

Now, “it is a measure of the bankruptcy of Musharraf’s eight-year-long rule in Pakistan that today PPP and PML have emerged as real contenders for power once again,” Hussain said. “Only he could have revived the political fortunes of these two political parties.”

Disenchantment with Musharraf’s hold on power has grown even within his own party, which is bitterly divided over how he engineered his reelection in the fall by a lame-duck parliament stacked with his supporters. At the time, he still led the army; after his win, he sacked a Supreme Court that threatened to invalidate it.

Ishaq Khan Khakwani resigned his cabinet post in protest. Khakwani said in an interview that he told Musharraf he supported him personally, but “I was not a follower of the country’s generals being president,” he said, arguing that “elections are to resolve problems in society, not to create them.”

Now, Khakwani said, he has returned to Musharraf’s fold because he has no other political home, and supporting corrupt and ineffective leaders from the past was not an option for him. He compared his “dilemma” to that of the United States. “You have to pick and choose, and like me, they have nowhere else to go. Musharraf is better than the others. That is all.”

Today, analysts say Musharraf’s grip on power is increasingly tenuous following a series of political calamities, including his unpopular six-week declaration of emergency rule and the assassination of Bhutto.

With Bhutto’s allies blaming Musharraf for not adequately protecting her and botching the investigation into her death, it is unclear which political parties, if any, will join with him and his branch of the Pakistan Muslim League, the PML-Q, after elections scheduled for Feb. 18. That raises the possibility that a hostile parliament could try to unseat him.

To prevent such an outcome, many analysts say, Musharraf’s government might try to rig the balloting, even if it risks destabilizing street protests and a response from an army Musharraf no longer controls.

“He cannot afford free elections,” said retired army general and political analyst Talat Masood, a onetime Musharraf supporter.

The Friday Times, a weekly newspaper here, made the same argument last week. “President Musharraf hasn’t come so far so autocratically and so unaccountably to let free elections decide his fate and that of Pakistan,” it said in a front-page editorial. “The problem is that if rigging is overdone, it could precipitate a party-political backlash that negates the election.”

Despite his plummeting popularity, Musharraf delivered on many of the promises he made after taking power in October 1999, particularly his pledge to put Pakistan’s economic house in order. At the time, the country was nearly bankrupt. Under his stewardship, foreign reserves ballooned from $1.4 billion to $15.7 billion, the gross national product doubled to about $125 billion, foreign investment nearly quadrupled and poverty rates declined by about 10 percent. He oversaw a massive increase in the number of private television stations and other media, more stable relations with India and a burgeoning of the middle class.

“Things are going bad, but we’re still better off than under the previous politicians,” said Rahil Shad, 26, who works for a soft drink company in Islamabad. “Eight years is not enough for one person to change the whole system. He started that – why not let him finish it?”

Still, Shad said he feared Musharraf’s days are numbered.

“The political parties are much stronger than Pervez Musharraf,” he said. “After he shed his uniform, he’s just an ordinary guy. He’s got no one behind him.”

Many Pakistanis complain that the gap between the rich and poor has grown, while 8 percent inflation has made food and energy costs prohibitively expensive. Islamic extremism and terrorist attacks are on the rise, leaving more than 400 people dead and 900 injured in suicide bombings in the past three months.

Surveys show that Pakistanis see the restoration of democracy as a key factor in improving security and combating Islamic extremism.

But in recent months, as the calls increased for Musharraf to step down, analysts said his response became more authoritarian: He sacked the country’s chief justice and fired dozens of other independent judges, yanked independent television channels off the air in the name of public security, arrested political opponents, stacked the election commission with supporters, and finally suspended the constitution and declared emergency rule.

“It’s eight years down the line, and last year was the worst of his political life. Musharraf made one mistake after another,” said Mushahid Hussein, the number two official in Musharraf’s political party and a top adviser to the president. “He was cocksure and overconfident. There was the feeling of a Catholic marriage – till death do us part.”

Despite his criticism, Hussein remains a Musharraf supporter, arguing that the president repeatedly shows a willingness to correct his mistakes – finally giving up his job as army chief and picking a credible successor, lifting emergency rule, allowing Bhutto and Sharif to return from exile and rescheduling elections that he had postponed. “The biggest challenge now are honest and peaceful elections,” he said.

“He tried to be a democrat and a dictator, but the concept didn’t work,” said Tasleem Zahra, 21, a business student in the capital. “What we need is a young, elected politician who can run Pakistan moderately and honestly.”

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KKS, how about you read your own post above with the quoted text.
You will then maybe understand why I am comparing both situations with each other. You know, I like to back my arguments with examples.

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Ahan! Since when?! I caught you red handed believing him to stay another decade and more.