And Why Don't Sunni's Respect Yazeed????

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There are a few questions that came in my mind, but I could never get answer to it… Since its a discussion forum, I am sure the fellow guppies will help enlighten me with their feedback:

Keeping in mind when it came to curse the liars between muslims and non muslims Hazrat Ali A.S, Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A, Imam Hassan A.S and Imam Hussain A.S. were the only people who Prophet Mohammad Selected to go to with him to mubahila, no wives or other companions joined him, It tells us the statuf of these personalities, how honest and truthful they were.

The question that always bothers me is the fact that After the death of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. some of his so called great companions of his, preferred to get together and resolve the khilafat issue rather than attending the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.,

Whereas Imam Ali A.S. also has the honor of performing the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H., while to some companions greed of khilafat was more important.

On top of it a big number of muslims didn’t have any problems with the first three khaleefa’s who didn’t even attend the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. but when Maula Ali A.S. became khaleefa a wide number of muslims came againt Hazrat Ali and the person who come against Maula Ali A.S. is also called Ameer ul Momineen… two enemies one of them has the honor to defend Islam in most of the battles…honor to be there with Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. in mubahila..slept on his bed when it was time of Hijrat… for whom Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said

“For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla).”

www.al-islam.org/ghadir/

When a person who came against such a righteous and honorable companion of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. is regarded as Ameer ul Momineen by sunnis then why not take your respect and love for enemies of Allah all the way… . Why don’t they call Yazeed the same too…his dad came against Maula Ali A.S. and his son against Imam Hussain… why not carry this love and respect for the enemies of Ahley bait all the way.

Talking about people coming against Maula Ali there is
one more question I would like to ask …

Who are these people to whom the issue of Khilfat was so important that it couldnt have waited for the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.

who are these people who didnt have any problem with the first three caliphs and when Maula Ali became Khaleefa they came to war against this leader and hero of Islam… who are these people??? who had problem with his khilafat and came to war against him and are
regarded as Ameer ul Momineen for his acts…

Who are these people who then came against in the greed for Khilafat again against the son of Maula Ali A.S… and after they killed him rathern then performing his funeral services left his body lying
following sunnah of some companions who left the funeral of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. to resolve the so called khilfat issue…

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i remember having a debate abt this with mad scientist quite a while ago which got interrupted with him having to leave for Qatar or something :-/.

Wont be able to follow this one what with exams and whatnot.. should be interesting tho.

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Dang :eek:

I forgot about that thread… I was busy for a few days after getting back from Bahrain, and then the thread must have slipped onto the bottome of the page or something. Will kick it back to life, eventually. Just too busy with work these days to make the kind of big long posts I did in that thread.

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no hurry..

my plates much more than full as it is :).

if only i could get off this blasted site i might get some work done :grumpy:

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Re: And Why Don't Sunni's Respect Yazeed????

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*Originally posted by Diwana_Desii: *

On top of it a big number of muslims didn't have any problems with the first three khaleefa's
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so why did they martyr Umar (ra) and why did they surround Usman (ra) and martyred him after a few days while he was reciting the Quran????
and Ali (ra) was never in a stable khilafat because at the time he was selected as khalifa, the Islamic state was alerady in turmoil, people had split over the martyrdom of Usman (ra)....

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*Originally posted by Diwana_Desii: *
"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

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he has also said for hazrat zaid (ra) that zaid is my mawla.....
so why dint they vote for osama bin zaid (ra) to be a khalifa?????

for the rest of it, ifkhilafat isnt so important an issue, why 1400 years after the event u r still debating over who shud have been the khalifa????

so who r the people who were overcome with greed of khilafat????
never heard of them till the ummayads came in....

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Re: Re: And Why Don't Sunni's Respect Yazeed????

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for the rest of it, ifkhilafat isnt so important an issue, why 1400 years after the event u r still debating over who shud have been the khalifa????

so who r the people who were overcome with greed of khilafat????
never heard of them till the ummayads came in....
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And who is debating for khilafat, my main question is that sunnis respect the enemies of Alheybait... the personality who defended islam in mubahila, the honest personality... Mahwiya came against them and so did his son yazeeed with a big army of mush muslims... what different did Yazeed do? they both came and fought against the family of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. just in the greed of khailafat.... Why do you call such a pesron who fought the family of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Ameer ul Momineen...

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he has also said for hazrat zaid (ra) that zaid is my mawla.....
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How Authentic is that haidth you are coming up with...... Not only that, He described his relationship to Hazrat Ali as Haroon A.S. to Musa A.S saying that there won't be a Prophet Mohammad after him.

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Re: Re: And Why Don't Sunni's Respect Yazeed????

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

for the rest of it, ifkhilafat isnt so important an issue, why 1400 years after the event u r still debating over who shud have been the khalifa????

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For you it might be irrelevant but when I look it even after 1400 year, it shows the greed of some highly respected sunni personalities who for the greed of Khilafat left the funeral of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and its the same greed that made people become and enemies of Ahleybait one of pious and great personalities of Islam and following the foot steps of those highly respected sunni personalities Mahwiya fought Ahleybait and following the same footsteps Yazeed fought them Also and it reached to the part where they killed Imam Hussain A.S. the grandson of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. on the desert of Kerbala with three days of hunger and thirst. Imam Hussain who the grandson of your own Prophet Mohammad, for whom nabi didn't wake up from sajeda until he stood up.... and following the same footsteps they didnt even burry the funeral of Imam Hussain the same way some great sunni personalities care more about khilafat than funeral of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.

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ok fine ali RA is the best khalifa, happy?
can we end the stupid and useless debate now? this shia sunni debates are getting on my nerves, shias keep bringing this stuff again and again, thinking somehow if they bring it again, sunnis will finaly think it over and embrace shiaism en mass.....
for God's sake END the dang debate
and talk about greed, are shias not greedy about the land of fadak? you want it so bad that u cant stop talking about it no matter what.....when you throw stones, you better not live in a house of glass....cuz they come back to haunt you....

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^ you need to take a chill pill..i am tired of the useless and stupid threads sunnis have been opening up..i dont see u whining and crying in those threads

jaa'o ab jaa kay baagh-e-fidak main raho
ghaasibo baagh-e-jannat tumhara nahi

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and talk about greed, are shias not greedy about the land of fadak? you want it so bad that u cant stop talking about it no matter what.....when you throw stones, you better not live in a house of glass....cuz they come back to haunt you....
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are you for real? do you even an iota of knowledge regarding what the issue of fadak is?????? I suggest you do some reading before you further embarrass yourself.

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Allah swt in Holy Quraan give us the clear warning as to why “shirq” is forbidden and not excusable at any level. Yet I hear my shi’a friends and my mom was shi’a too. attributing things and rituals befitting for Allah swt only,such as , Yah Ali rza Madad !, one example is enough here,
why is it like this,perhaps in vain ?.. but its not excusable by Allah swt.
So then what is the status of shia’s then,they say thier prayers ( Namaaz) in Karbala / Najaf / Koufa facing the tombs of facing towards them rather than the Qibla it self,..
I,m sure Prophet Mohammad :saw: would have objected on it severley on such practices,( History is full of examples when he did object to such practices )

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So then what is the status of shia's then,,they say thier prayers ( Namaaz) in Karbala / Najaf / Koufa facing the tombs of facing towards them rather than the Qibla it self,,..

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I am surprised that even though your mom was (?) shia you still havent cleared the misconceptions. sShias DO NOT pray facing anyother direction other than the Qibla.
Regarding Ya Ali madad, that also a different from what you perceive it. Open a thread if you want further info. And none of this really has anything to do with the current discussion.

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no i have no iota of knowledge of the issue, because there is really nothing to it…fatima :razi: asked hazrat abu bakar :razi: for the land of fadak, but He:razi: said that he had heard rasuull of Allah :saw: say that prophets do not leave any inheretence but what they leave is for the cause of allah…so he used that to deny her request and kept that land in the use of the government…now shais have made it into something like a conspiracy from the begining against ahlul bayt…that was all of the story and nothing else…

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Apparently there is a lot more to it… The hadith you presented above contradicts the ayat of Quran, whch proves that Prophets do leave inheritance like:
“And Solomon inherited from David.” Qur’an 27:16

Of all the things you thing Nauzubillah Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. would fight on greed for a land?

Remind you she was the only lady to represent woman when it came to cursing the liars at Mubahila with non muslims, she always gave so much charit y…this act of her unveiled to me how greed the khaleefa was that he chose a hadith over the ayats of Quran.

What is more Authentic Quran or hadith?

On top of it the status of Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. is so high that Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said :
“Lady Fatima is a part of me. Whoever angers her, angers me.” Sahih Bukhari, 5:35

In other words he offended Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. by offending Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A.

I have a read a Hadith in Sahih Bukhari narrated by no other than Bibi Ayesha that Bibi Fatima was angry on Abu Bakr, but I don’t have the references with me on now. If anyone has it please feel free to put it.

Another False Accusation without any references, like many other rumors going on these forums.

And all I asked was… when you respect Mawiya why don’t you respect Yazeed…??? they both fought with the family of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. for the greed of khilafat following some foot steps of highly respected personalities of sunnis… And is that the best you can come up with…Where did I say to accept shiasm… All i did was asked some quesitons… if you can’t defend your own believes don’t blame me for something I didnt do???

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The best summary exists from Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

Narrated Ayesha(mother of the believers),'After the death of Allah's Apostle Fatima,the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her the share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting)which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "the holy prophet(saww) had said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqah (to be used for charity)."** Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of the Holy prophet(saww).
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We read in Sahih al Bukhari Volume 5 hadith 61
"Allah's Apostle said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he
who makes her angry, makes me angry."
This hadith makes it clear that Sayyida Fatima (as)'s anger
is on par with the anger of Rasulullah (s).

tell me again that this is nothing.

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sulaiman AS inhereted the RISALAT of Dauud AS, and not any wordly possesions...and besides even if Fatima RA could get any worldly possesions, how come the wives did not get any either? it just shows that fatima RA was unaware of the ruling of her own father and was uninformed, inshallah on the day of judgement, allah will inform her that she got angry for no reason because fadak did not belong to her in the first place....
may allah bless abu bakar, he was the most closest to the Rasuul of allah , he would not anger his children but for a just cause, and in this cause, he was on justice,....
and besides, Rasuul of Allah is dead, he does not know about what is going on in this world and does not get angry or sad...

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Let me clarify my post without making any more complicated with fancy words and contradictions of Alims / Musanifs and scholars,,,they could have gotten it wrong too,,,which I,m sure that their narratiion is also political motivated and creat the Fitna Allah swt warned us about..
My question was simple ... Why shia's "Shirq" when its forbidden by Allah swt and unexcusable,,, ( under any circumstances )

I travelled to the land via Immam Raza razi (Mushaad-Iran) Karbala - Najaf-Koufa Iraq) 45 days by land pillgrimmage,,,What I witnessed was
pure shirq practiced in these areas out of Love for the All-e-nabi pbuh.
In Iran I saw the sticker pictures of Companions of Prophet Mohammad pbuh with curses and posted in the toilets and filthy places. What if these so called expert belivers including your self got it all wrong,,This would not be the first time that history disregarded the true message of Allah and the deniel in full or Partialy the message the choosen few brought to us by the means of revealtions and prophiceis,,
But no doubt it was shirq,,some remintances fall out to shia culture and in daily language and practices in Pakistan and other areas without their own realization...yet people talk about History and how the companions of Mohammad pbuh where disintigrated into groups after his death.
All the happenings and teachings of Prophet Mohammad pbuh and his last sermon are the true manifest of the end of an era and the biggening of a new one...
Any other Tom Dick and Harry after wards including some scholars with fancy names and fan club could have gotten it wrong and you and others are the results of these fallen seeds,,,,,but look deeply ,,,The All Mighty ALLAH subhan ul talah has forwarned us several times in Quran , that this is all expected and people will tested for how well they handle this phenomina and yet still follow my ( Allah swt ) message and the Holly Book' (s) Quraan being the last manifest of them all.
Suck on this and dare you to believe me ..,, which you'll never,,,you and some sunni's sacts are not programmed to change,,,pitty
Ponder over this post and do not reply immediatley because then you shall speak the language of Anger and hate,,, I only offer you Love instead,,,,,,,,,,,,

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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
sulaiman AS inhereted the RISALAT of Dauud AS, and not any wordly possesions...and besides even if Fatima RA could get any worldly possesions, how come the wives did not get any either? it just shows that fatima RA was unaware of the ruling of her own father and was uninformed, inshallah on the day of judgement, allah will inform her that she got angry for no reason because fadak did not belong to her in the first place....
may allah bless abu bakar, he was the most closest to the Rasuul of allah , he would not anger his children but for a just cause, and in this cause, he was on justice,....
and besides, Rasuul of Allah is dead, he does not know about what is going on in this world and does not get angry or sad...
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Nauzubillah are you trying to doubt the knowledge of Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. Are you out of your mind, Lady whose purity Quran testifies in Ayat 33:33. How can you say nauzubillah she was unaware of the ruling of her father, if that was the case why would Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. give such a hadith, and there is no where that ayat said risalat, that something you came up with or are assuming, just to over rule ayat of quran to just justify a hadith. Please give me a break... How can you insult such pious personalities of Mubahila,

Abu Bakr not only disobeyed quran, but made prophet Mohammad angry on his greed for the land... As far as the inheritance in concerned the land was given to Bibi by Prophet in his lifetime and was taken back by the khaleefa, she already had it b4.....

You want to read an hadith about some companions, for whom you are willing to change the contents on the ayat, just to justify their deeds, ,read what Prophet Mohammad has to say about some of his companions.

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh&hf) said: I will be there at the Fountain of Kawthar before you, and I will have to contend for some people, but I will have to yield. I will be saying: My Lord, they are my companions, they are my companions, and it will be said: You don't know what innovations they made after you"
and here are the references
Sahih Bukhari, Book on Heart-Melting Traditions, hadith #6089 and #6090; Book on the Trials, hadith #6527; Sahih Muslim, Book on the Virtues, hadith #4250; Ibn Majah, Book on Religious Rituals, hadith #3048; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, 1:384, 402, 406, 407, 425, 439, 453, 455;5:387, 393, 400

How could you twist the meaings of ayat and over rule an haidth just to defend another.....
Please you think, would Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. give such a big hadith if Nauzubillah his daughter was greedy, you know who is Bibi Fatima,

Lut gaey jangle meh heh dolat-e-Shabbir
Fatima keh sheer keh heh yeh Taseer

Its her family who sacrificed their kids with three days of hunger and thirst, everything they had, when islam came in the hands of people like yazeed, that how good her upbringing was.

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Please if you want to twist the meanings of ayats of quran, come up with something that makes sense.

Is risalat something you intherit rathern than been given by God
Tell me who did Prophet Mohammad inherit his Risalat from??
who did Hazrat Isssa Inherit from??
If Nazubillah Quran preaches that risalat are inherited to kids from the father, then of all the sons of Prophet Yaqub, why only one son became Prophet.....?
Please now you want to make fun of this God given Status just to defend a hadith, that offends Prophet and conflicts the teachings of quran, Are you using this to doubt the knowledge of Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A.?
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Thankyou very much, what great repect you have for the companions.

I hope you can answer that claim infront of allah :swt: on judgement day.

May allah guide us all, Ameen.

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diwani, ppl before u have banged their heads a lot of such issues, and u cant go around slinging mud at the most pious muslims in the ummah of Muhammad (saw) and think ppl will appreciate it....

i suggest u stop arguing before someone starts unwrapping all the twisted stories u shiaas make up....

cuz then it wont be a happy scene seeing the thread locked and a few warnings issued here and there....
plus lots of non-muslim visitors laughing at how we muslims fight with each other....