Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?

Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?

Sectarian violence itself does not make one Taliban. Actually the khariji sectarian parties, who were killing both shias and sunnis, were getting training and other help from Taliban in Afghanistan. Nawaz Sharif sent a delegation to Taliban govt to stop their support to khariji killings in Pakistan.

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They all follow similar khariji ideology. The leadership is obviously different.

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Colonol Imam was the one who trained Mullah Omar butt TTP which Is funded by
CIA and Indian Raw even told by wikkileaks and now 100 % clear by capture of Davis has nothing to do with Taliban of
Afghanistan
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Is this what Imran says or you believe?
If Pakistani Taliban are CIA and RAW agents then how can Imran ask us to start negotiations with them? How can you support the talks with an anti-state terrorist criminal fasaadi group?

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Again you are totally confused, Taliban of Pakistan are different entity than Taliban of Pakistan.

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Does Imran agree with you?

They are not totally different. They follow same fasaadi ideology.
This distinction between Afghan and Pakistani Taliban was created by Taliban apologists, because they could not justify the crimes which were so obvious by Taliban in Pakistan.

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you mean Afghanistan? otherwise I don't understand what you are trying to say

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Thank you for admitting that I have a brain, Really it is true that it is almost unused , Medical science also says that normally a man uses 5 to 10 percent of its brain . I promise you to use some of it but I am doubtful that perhaps here it is not required to reply.
Have you seen anyone admitting any corruption ?
What I have wrote that was as simple as 2+2=4

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Lashkar and SSP have been given refugee in afghanistan during taliban's rule there. I remember reading interior minister chaudhry shujaat asking the taliban to hand over these terrorists in the news before the gunja govt was overthrown in 1999. It is not that TTP and taliban are apples and oranges, but it is just that afghan taliban are focused right now on liberating their previous base. TTP would find refuge in a taliban held afghanistan, so it is time Pakistan ditched taliban for whatever few benefits are there for them and take away the useful allies inside taliban to form a new movement. Let the salafist dogs burn in hell literally through US bombs afterwards.

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Taliban apologists have been trying hard to justify the "sanctity" of Afghani fasaadi govt. When TTP appeared then these people supported them. But when they started showing their true colors then they started making things to keep them separate from the fasaadi saints in Afgh. Some people go up to say that TTP is Indian agent.
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I don't care whether Imran agrees with me or not, neither he is my father nor my prophet, soon after TTP emerge they made some pact with Taliban of Afghanistan but when TTP started killing people around sp Pakistan govt/forces Taliban of Afghanistan cut their cord with them.


Afghanistani Taliban


I am neither Taliban apologist nor I support any of their fasaad but I do have brain to have distinction between two entities unlike some people who are left with only one brush.

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But he is a leader and you are a follower. So his opinion matters more, and we need to discuss his opinion only

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I am neither Taliban apologist nor I support any of their fasaad but I do have brain to have distinction between two entities
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Does Imran agree with this distinction?
What do you think is the difference between the two?

Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?

Technically, Imran Khan is correct. Taliban weren't terrorizing anyone in Pakistan, before 2003. Their sunni extremist couterparts in Pakistan were terrorizing minorities since before 2001 however. Suicide bombings on minority targets were very common, but since they did not inconvenience the rest of Pakistan, it wasn't a big deal. An estimate 47 shia mosque alone attacked from 95-2000 alone, i remember.

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^ Suicide bombing didn't happen back then but there were a lot of bomb attacks. They both kill people but I guess it is the shock factor of a person blowing him or herself up that has awed Imran khan.

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^ That's what these guys don't understand. Terrorism is not just suicide bombing, it is also indiscriminate firings and target killings of people.

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i thought sectarian attacks ground to halt in the mid-late 90's? certainly i do remember people mentioning this fact when it all got going again in the last few years

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No the attacks against sunnis and shias did not stop at that time. This is why Nawaz Sharif had to send a delegation in 1999 to Talibanic Kabul to request them to stop training and supporting those terrorists in Pakistan.
Read following from 1999:

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19991008/ige08066.html

KARACHI, OCT 7: Pakistani Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif said on Thursday his government has `concrete evidence’ that terrorists trained in camps in Taliban-administered Afghanistan were involved in a fury of recent sectarian killings in Pakistan.
He told a press conference that the **government has arrested people who disclosed they trained at a particular camp inside the Taliban-controlled part of Afghanistan. We have asked the Taliban government to close down the camp and stop training people,'' he said. **The United States has charged the Taliban sheltered terrorist camps that produced the bombers of US embassies in Africa last year. We have made it clear to the Taliban that this is not acceptable to Pakistan,‘’ Sharif said.

In the last one week Pakistan has been battered by relentless sectarian bloodletting. More than 30 people have been killed, most of them Shia Muslims. Their mosques have been attacked, their leaders gunned down and prominent Shiite Muslims assassinated in several separateincidents throughout Pakistan. The killing began last Tuesday and the worst single day of violence occurred last Friday when 18 people were killed in several incidents in Pakistan.

Among the incidents was an attack on a Shia Muslim mosque in southern Karachi. Nine worshippers were killed as they knelt in prayer.

Pakistan’s allegations against the Taliban are considered the most serious to date, given that Pakistan has been one of the biggest supporters of the Taliban religious army and one of only three countries to recognize their government.

But according to the Taliban spokesman, Abdul Hai Muttmain, there are no training camps in Afghanistan. ``There are no training camps of Pakistanis in Afghanistan…nobody has been allowed to come into Afghanistan to conduct any terrorist activity,‘’ Muttmain told reporters.

Sharif, however, disagreed. He told reporters in Islamabad that his government had `solid’ evidence that the sectarian killers received training in Afghanistan. Based on that evidence Sharifsent the ISI chief Zia Uddin to southern Kandahar last Monday demanding the camps be closed. We have told Mullah Omar that these training camps should be immediately closed because the terrorists are getting their training in those camps,'' he said. Our information is based on solid evidence," Sharif said.

The United States has repeatedly accused the Taliban of allowing Islamic terrorists, and in particular suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden, to operate camps in Afghanistan. Washington recently declared bin Laden’s Al Qaida group a terrorist organization and last year fired dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles at suspected camps in Afghanistan’s eastern Khost region.

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I read somewhere today that Jamima is Jew again.
Have anybody some knowledge ?
It is a way to understand IK better.

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although i do realise some supporters of sectarianism will be supporters of the talibs, and even possibly have links to them, thus attended events of talibs. it can be clearly seen that the talibs do not have sectarianism as their goal. its not in their mission statement

even if we look into recent afghan history the incident of afshar massacre (c1993 where shia women were debreasted by northern alliance) standsout

imran khans views do not include sectarianism as a concern as its not directly linked to talib aim as such

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Wrong yet again. He is a leader I appreciate but I do not follow him or his opinions.

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Two passages from related articles, on a) this menace predating 2003 and b) its links to sectarianism (second article).

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I had a cousin who perished in a shia mosque in peshawar. As a doctor, he was there performing free tetnus shots for children as part of the Edhi foundation's tent, and was blown up by a suicide bomber in '93.