Imran Khan says there was no terrorism in Pakistan pre-2003 period. And this it all happened due to American invasion. So his recipe is that stop supporting Americans against Taliban and negotiate with them. This way Pakistan will have no terrorism problem.
Do you think there was no Talibanic terrorism in Pakistan before 2003?
Do you think Pakistan should follow Imran’s advice?
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
This is from another thread by Faris:
^ Yaar if you bothered to read my post carefully you would not be making such a fuss...
I did not deny the Taliban were a problem but before 2003 they were not adirect threat to the saftey of the state of Pakistan.
May be I should have replied to you and Spock separately. He completely denied that there was any form of Talibanic terrorism present before 2003.
Now coming back to you, the only reason Taliban had not unleashed their fasaad on Pakistan at this level was that Pakistan itself was involved in their fasaad.
But Pakistan should not have supported them in the first place. One way or another, these fanatics were bound to wage their fasaad on Pakistan. They were only waiting for their fasaad to finish in Afghanistan first.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
Please quote his exact statements and we can talk about it in context.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
Where is the source
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
To kakaballi and waleed:
I am surprised that I even have to find Imran's statement. I thought it was a known thing.
Please correct me if I posted anything wrong in the first post.
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To Khoji:
Please let us know if you want to continue with your verbal diarrhea or have anything substantial to share with us.
P.S. Please refrain from the usual misquoting, quoting out of context, getting personal, propaganda and related strategies.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
Well heres my viewpoint on the matter.
Taleban did not conduct any terrorist activity against the state of Pakistan prior to 2003.]
Yes they conducted murderous campaigns against minorities but this had no political objective against Pakistan itslef, they were just murderous brutes targeting minority communities and while I definatley do not agree with it afterall I myself am from a minority, I can say they were clearly not against the state or the infrastracture or the political entity we call Pakistan. They had no objective to target the Pakistan millitary whom you could argue helped put them in place in the first.
However after 2003 this all changed the Taleban went on to see the state of Paksitan as a whole as the enemy. Also they went from targeting minorites to the very core of the Pak army both when they attacked GCHQ and when they bombed Wah cantonment before that... this has been directly due to Pakistan's support of the US no one can deny that.
So when Imran Khan says there were no attacks, period. He is obviously wrong and Khoji you will agree with me the Taleban were always murdering the minorities not just in Pakistan but wherever they could get them.
As for the second point Imran Khan is right when he says 2003 was a watershed any indiot can figure out that Pakistan's support of the US would make it a target for extremists and murderous Talibanies. To say that this is not the case is also a distortion of truth.
As for wether Paksitan should follow the advice of Imran Khan.
Again in my personal opinion anything along the lines of dialogue which avoids bloodhsed is better than not engaging in dialogue at all. Furthermore strategically the coalition is facing stalemate everyone admits that quite openly now including many coalitian analysts. Pakistan has to deal with the fact that anytime the US led forces could be forced to leave, many have left to to pressure back home. When they leave it is Paksitan which has to face the brunt of the Taleban all alone... so to do whats right and save lives any idea no matter how odd it may seem is one that should be tried. In suggesting that Pakistan opt for astronger stance against America and negotiating with the Taleban Imran Khan is doing nothing wrong... particularly when you consider that the coalition forces and Afghan Predisdent Hamid Karzai have been in touch with the Taleban pakistan has every right to sort out adiplomatic solution with the Taleban.
Imran Khan is not perfect but at least on this point he has my support, I still see him as one of the elite establishment but his views are not bad and at least he is trying to do what he thinks is right for Pakistan and it's people... rather than line his pockets he is gaining votes over the issue and may well be one to watch.
I see nothing wrong with Imran Khans suggestions. :)
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
wat the hell is a 'talibanic terrorism'??
there was 'secterian terrorism'......taliban phenomena didn't even exist back then.....
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
To kakaballi and waleed: I am surprised that I even have to find Imran's statement. I thought it was a known thing.
Sorry I havenever heard it though if you can present that detail maybe I will agree with you. :)
Besides I have allready given you a very comprehensive answer my friend. :)
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
yes there was no taleban as such we can be thankful to musharraf for propping up the taleban and balochistan issues (his two biggest gifts to pakistan) there were some terrorist acts committed by sipah e sihaba against shias and then there were shias (sipah e Muhammad) against sunnis; so that was sectarian issue but not a particular group versus the state.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
wat the hell is a 'talibanic terrorism'??
there was 'secterian terrorism'......taliban phenomena didn't even exist back then.....
There is nothing to argue about if you think "talibanic terrorism" is a wrong term.
Taliban was created by ISI in the mids of 90s. But obviously the mentality of people who later were called 'Taliban' existed before that time.
But that's not what the discussion is about. I would keep it to Imran Khan and his thinking of how this terrorism can be defeated.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
yes there was no taleban as such we can be thankful to musharraf for propping up the taleban and balochistan issues (his two biggest gifts to pakistan) there were some terrorist acts committed by sipah e sihaba against shias and then there were shias (sipah e Muhammad) against sunnis; so that was sectarian issue but not a particular group versus the state.
Sipah e Sahaba was and is an affiliate of Talibanic kharijis. People like SSP and LJ were getting training and other supports from Taliban's fasaadi govt in Afghanistan.
This is why I say that Imran Khan overlooks the sectarian killings Taliban an unleashed in Pakistan, and is completely wrong in saying that there was no Taliban terrorism in Pakistan before 2003.
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but mentality cant be defeated through war, how can you judge who is talib and who is not? this war has only increased people having that screwed mentality. this was exactly what many of us feared when musharraf launched an operation under pressure from his masters, and now he is long gone and we are still facing the consequences.
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and what abt Sipah e Muhammad?
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
This is why I say that Imran Khan overlooks the sectarian killings Taliban an unleashed in Pakistan, and is completely wrong in saying that there was no Taliban terrorism in Pakistan before 2003
Ifwhat you say he said is true then I agree with you... but it still does not change the fact that I think his policy is a very good one. :)
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan’s claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
Quote of the century! 
Anyone who is truly ideologically commited to a cause cannot be beaten in a war… diplomacy and dialogue are the best way to solve disputes. It is a shame they are used as a last resort rather than a first one. 
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
One thing is ascertained that Taliban terrorism was present in Pakistan before 2003. So there Imran is dead wrong.
Do you think that Pakistan should have supported people who were conducting sectarian terrorist activities inside Pakistan to such a large scale?
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan’s claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
look people…i tell u wat this thread is about…
2)He is wrong because he wants dialogue with taliban
3)Taliban are kharjee…a.k.a Wahabeee etc…
so our friend is working on 3 levels
ethnic…muhajir vs pashtoon
religous…wahabee vs others
poliical…MQM vs others…
so please go on with ur debates…hoping to achieve some useful outcome 
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan's claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
and what abt Sipah e Muhammad?
It was a reaction by the victims. The terrorism originated from SSP, LJ, and Taliban.
But regardless, the point of this thread is about Taliban's terrorism in Pakistan before 2003 and Imran's overlooking this fact.
Re: Analyzing one of Imran Khan’s claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
I agree with your points 2 and 3. But not with point 1. If you don’t agree with points 2 and 3 then the question in the original post was not directed towards you. There is no need to argue in such a case.
I don’t care about MQM. It is just coincidence that MQM is against Taliban too.