An invitation I don't quite know if I should turn down...

I got my first invitation to a gay wedding. The guy is my friend’s business partner and I’ve met him from time to time. He’s always been really respectful and pretty outspoken about human rights issues regarding Muslims because being a minority in this country, he says he can relate to how we must feel.
Even though homosexuality isn’t something my heart, mind or faith will ever allow me to accept, I don’t really have anything against gay people. Besides, at the end of the day, it’s Allah (swt) who has the right to judge.

So now I’m wondering if I should go or not. It’s nice that he thought of sharing his special day with me, but I’m slightly grossed out about it. :confused: it’s an exotic beach resort though so Umm… WHAT SHOULD I DO!
I need to RSVP in a weeks time.

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I think you should go. Especially if he's been supportive of the Muslims. If they don't let us feel like outcasts, we shouldn't let them feel the like ones either. I don't blame you for thinking that way though...I'm not supportive of homosexuality either.

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What the hell is wrong with going to a gay wedding. I swear some of you guys are just plain weird. Its a wedding go eat cake and enjoy yourself. Seriously people quit being fundos.

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I don't think that is allowed ... going to a gay wedding is accepting and recognising its validity. It's like going to a pub or bar for the purpose of drinking yet you yourself only drink coke ...

Islam considers weddings as religious - even going to non-Muslim heterosexual weddings is taboo ...

This is the perfect example of the dilemmas that modernity has brought us ... how I long for that Islam that will end this confusion !!!

Any gay who supports Muslims will do so on grounds of humanity - that is fine ... and we can support them for their human rights ... but this does not mean we associate with them.

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I second that!! ^^

Going would validate the stance. That would mean that you validate it. You personally. If you do validate gay weddings and homosexuals, then by all means go. If you don't then don't.

Every action has a certain significance. It isnt as simple as eating cake.

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If you think it's appropriate for you to not go to a gay wedding, then might as well not attend any hindu, christian, buddhist, etc. weddings.

You probably would never accept hinduism in your "heart, mind or faith" but if you had 2 hindu friends getting married, would you skip their wedding?

Keep in mind that other faiths don't have nikkahs, so maybe you would see 7 pheras or a marriage in a buddhist temple as not being valid and too different from your own beliefs... but would you still attend those? If you would, I don't see the difference between that and a gay wedding.

I'd go.

If this 'accepting' is such a big issue, then go after the ceremony and attend the reception.

No one says living in a non Muslim country amounts to this 'acceptance' business.

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So let me get this straight. By your logic, we can not go to non-halal locations becuase they do not serve halal products? Next time remember that when you go to the movies or the mall. :rolleyes: If a school serves pork then we can’t send our kids there either correct?

Seriously why do you all bother living in non-muslim societies if you are going to be so narrow minded and rigid? Go to the wedding. Enjoy yourself, ignore the fact that one of the men is wearing a dress.

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I'd go just because I'm so curious about how they would pull it off.

Its not that serious BB.

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Its not a matter of religion. It is a matter of a man marrying a man, or a female marrying a female.

Hindus, christians etc etc marriages, im thinking you are referring to heterosexual ones.

Btw a Nikah is really accepting in front of people to live together as husband and wife. A NIKAH requires an oath to do so with fidelity and in front of witnesses.

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CM, WHAT THE HELL did I say to get you so hyper all of a sudden? I SAID I had NOTHING against gay people. I don't have any religious qualms about this, it's about the social awkwardness of it. You really need to CALM DOWN sometimes and listen to what someone not-so-smart said not-too-long ago, QUIT being a fundo!

Psyah,

I see your point but isn't it all about our intentions. Sometimes we tend to social obligations that we really don't want to be a part of but have to. I see it as that. This is a person who has always participated actively in all our community events and rallies despite knowing what Islam says about homosexuality. Just because I'm going to this social obligation doesn't mean I'm supporting what he's doing and he knows what we think of it anyway, yet he extended out an invitation to me.

I'm not quoting him exactly, but Tariq Ramadan said something to that effect during a lecture I attended. Our university's GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender) Club has always been very active on our campus protests/events and even offered to sponsor some of our events. Our board members were iffy about socializing with them, so it was one of the questions that was brought up during the lecture's Q/A. He said that it's Allah's place to judge these people, but meanwhile if they're being nice to us and extending their friendship, then we shouldn't reciprocate it with hatred.

X2, while your suggestion sounds really good (I might actually just do that), I don't feel obligated to go because I live in a Non-Muslim country and thus have to absolutely attend. It's got more to do with that thoughtfulness that came with this invitation.

I'm just scared of actually cringing and squirming when they kiss and show PDA's in front of me. I'm also sort of self-conscious about my hijab. It tends to draw special attention and I'm afraid of people checking my reaction during those moments.
It's like attending an Atheist Convention (Sam Harris of all people) and have a dozen eyes staring you down and the guy sitting next to you nudging you and scoffing at you going "I bet you're really angry now" while the speaker talks about the evils of Islam. Never ever am I putting myself in that position again.
It's probably not going to be like that. Gay people are always very nice, but it's just the awkwardness of it.

Demesne, how can one be so sure that the magnitude of gunaah earned by attending a gay wedding is much bigger than attending a Hindu one? If one is wrong , so is the other.

Reha, I kind of think I'll do that. Maybe skip the ceremony and make an excuse but I normally attend ceremonies when it comes to Non-Muslim weddings because the reception involves drinking etc, and it becomes more uncomfy runs away. Maybe I'll just go towards the beginning of reception and then leave... but then I might as well not go.

Side note: the groom (or bride in this case) is soooooooooooo good-looking. He'd have made a dreamy straight husband sigh

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I hope you go, it's not a big deal, no one will even care that you're a hijabi and plus, I think it shows compassion if you go and are a part of this happy moment. And he is very supportive of your beliefs, whether he agrees with them or not. Plus, he did invite you which is kinda' rare for non-desis to do since they have seating plans and all.

I say you go, and have fun. Plus, it'll be an experience! I wish I was invited to a gay wedding, I'd love to go and attend.

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Psyah- Can you please explain this? Do you mean taboo culturally or islamically? where is it written that you can't attend the wedding ceremony of your Christian/Hindu/Sikh/Jain/Buddhist/Jew friends?

"even going to non-Muslim heterosexual weddings is taboo ..."

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Blue bells, being gay is not a religion like hinduism is.

What we are talking about is marriage and the sacrament of it. Our religion teaches us that there is no such thing as a marriage between same sexes. A hindu marriage is a nikah as well in as much as it is a vow to spend life together in front of witnesses. What you are attending is not a marriage, I just wonder if you get that. That is all I am saying.

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Bluebells: I've attended gay ceremonies/reception before. I actually have several gay friends (1 gay co-worker) and as you've mentioned....they've always bee outspoken about discrimination (including Muslims). In my experience, they're very accepting of other people beliefs and lifestyles and I have nothing but respect for that behavior. I don't sit there and worry about who others are choosing to have sex with (as long as they're not doing it with children!).

That being said....if YOU yourself do not feel there is a "religious conflict" within you that prevents you from attending this event.....then GO! :) The only one you need to worry about pleasing is God right? It sounds like you'll know some of the other guests at the event so it's not like you'll be all alone. Yes, you will probably feel awkward at first but after a little while....you'll get caught up in the celebration.

The fact that you wear a hijab (ie. no one can miss that fact that you're Muslim) is a HUGE plus in my opinion....b/c it shows every non-Muslim (gay or straight) attending that event that despite what they see/hear on the news....Muslims are willing to accept others who don't follow the same beliefs and take part in celebrating an occassion that means a lot to them.

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I'd go.

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The literalists will tell you that accepting the invite is as good as proclaiming you love all things gay; the liberals will tell you to be a sport and attend. I'll play the moderate here and tell you to go with the intention to eat cake AND perform a last ditch effort to convert your co-worker and his boyfriend to heterosexuality. If you go with the intention of dawah, you might be spared the Fire Pit.

I doubt anyone will be watching your hijab for reactions. Eat your cake or close your eyes during the PDA.

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At his wedding, seriously???

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I could not say it better. Except the this part:
'even going to non-Muslim heterosexual weddings is taboo ." I have to look into it.

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sh*t suicide is haram :(

ppl have so messed up thinking under this thread alone, i dont even know who to begin with.

where are we really headed...