Re: An Independent Kashmir.
Janab, I cannot help but admire your steadfastness in the face of these insects who are trying their best to skew the argument in their favor by hook or crook, but after pages and pages of squirming continue to fail miserably. Good going!
Re: An Independent Kashmir.
indeed, its amazing how one can continue to make intelligent arguments in the face of assinine responses like “if you’re really a girl prove it” or “ha ha you are really a dude”. Seems like thats the only thing they can resort to, personal attacks when defending the indefensible. But she keeps it up.
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Re: An Independent Kashmir.
Obviously for the Pakistanis, after failing miserably in taking Kashmir, fielding a traitor such as Janab is a face saving measure....which explains this adoration.
in the mean time, anyone with objectivity will note that change ins stance that Janab undergoes when pinned down by facts!
In the ultimate analysis, this is a Pakistani board and janab is singing the Pakistani hymn book. Why does that surprise anyone
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the only people acting surprised/shocked/in denial/hurt/miserable/defensive are those resorting to personal attacks.
remember that the definition of a personal attack is attempting to discredit the person instead of focusing on their argument. and on multiple threads now there have been people who instead of talking about the issues raised have started doing any one of the following:
a) janab is not a girl
b) janab is not kashmiri
c) janab is a traitor
d) janab stole my cow
you lot need to grow the **** up. this is no way to participate in a discussion forum when the only trick up your sleeve are playground tactics a five year old would be ashamed to use. it is the intellectual equivalent of pulling pigtails of the smart kid.
get a grip.
Re: An Independent Kashmir.
wth are you rambling on about? I didn't know janab is a girl; so now I know. She said Kashmiri and I will take her word for it to start with. But then looking at her expressed opinions it is clear that she is either Pakistani posing as Kashmiri or a Kashmiri favoring Pakistan which automatically makes her a traitor, particularly since she proudly says she has a Indian passport.
How the heck is any of this personal attack?
There are a few running around however (moonshiner I think) calling others retards. Now, you think that is personal attack or not?
You should get some carbs if hunger affects your comprehension, particulalry before coming to advise others
says she has a Indian passport.
Nehru, Gandhi, Sardar Patel...none of them seemed to have any problem traveling the world on British passports while talking about Indian independence. I guess I'm as much a traitor as them.
I didnt specifically mean just you, although thank you for clarifying. this is the kind of silliness and attempted bullying Im talking about:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5897917&highlight=ravage#post5897917
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5897851&highlight=ravage#post5897851
it has been going on for a while. it is personalizing the discussion when the talk moves from the topic at hand to the poster.
Although you have a gem here yourself:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=5897894&postcount=45
I dont care what janab is. Janab can be anything, how sure are you about janabs gender, ravage. I have no idea what your gender is ravage, and as I said I dont care. I dont see you. You dont see me. We are just two persons with some sceen name. How does it matter if Janab is a she or he.
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^ exactly. the only reason you guys kept trying to make it a topic of conversation was to shift the discussion to the person. glad you understand how stupid the above linked posts were. i havent seen this being done to anyone else on this forum and yet in several threads the same posters have tried to use this idiotic tactic.
No India No Pakistan...........just independence.
Independence is won by smart political leadership, and maintained by strong and disciplined army.
Sadly! In case of Kashmir both are absent. As a result Kashmiris will continue to be "managed" by others.
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ravage - calling a traitor a traitor is not a personal attack.
Independence is won by smart political leadership, and maintained by strong and disciplined army.
Sadly! In case of Kashmir both are absent. As a result Kashmiris will continue to be "managed" by others.
Being a state within the Indian Union there are specific lists of areas for wha aspects are governed by the state and what parts by the central government. This is not called 'managed' by others, simply the way we are organized.
On the topic of independence, beyond leadership and force that you mention, a movement also needs a just cause. That is absent here. It is simply the fanning of trouble by Pakistan that keeps the call for independence breathing.
Being a state within the Indian Union there are specific lists of areas for wha aspects are governed by the state and what parts by the central government. This is not called 'managed' by others, simply the way we are organized.
On the topic of independence, beyond leadership and force that you mention, a movement also needs a just cause. That is absent here. It is simply the fanning of trouble by Pakistan that keeps the call for independence breathing.
Here is the thing, that State within the Indian Union does not want anything to do with India, so anything else is blowing air. The thread was : Would and Independant Kashmir be acceptable to Pakistanis? All Pakistani posters have said yes, aap ki bolti band ho gayee, but being the beghairat and be sharam lot you are you are still squirming. Oh well let your mujra continue.
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^ what nonsense! who cares what Pakistanis feel about Kashmir. You are like the wedding crasher that shamelessly gusav into the party to get a free meal. Pathetic but if that is theonly way you can feed yourself, go for it. Having failed in all else, I guess this is the only forum left for Pakistanis to dream about Kashmir
like Tibetans...kashmiris (only pro pakistan) should refuge in Pakistan till the matter is resolved to avoid any Human rights violation against them.
Pakistan could have annexed Kashmir (with local support no less) on multiple different occasions, had it not been for exceptionally faulty military planning. Still, if it makes you feel better to blame the Kashmiris for your own military blunders and over-reliance on irregular bands of Islamist militants, then I suppose that's your own prerogative.
Hm. I'll just let the truth speak since you are argumentative without substace.
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Joseph Korbel (father of Madeliene Albright, the present US secretary of state) recorded in his book Danger in Kashmir (1954), that 'Srinagar trembled before the danger of the tribesmen's invasion.' Regulars from the Pakistan army were known to be part of the invading force which was believed to be under the command of Akbar Khan, a major general in the Pakistani army.
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PS: the above was writen when Albright was S.of.S. I shouldn't have to make this explicit but knowing someone like you grabbing every straw possible will latch on to that, thought it might be better to do that.
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^
As I've said repeatedly, Pakistan's reliance on undisciplined, irregular forces hasn't been particularly popular in Kashmir. At this point, you're just throwing a tantrum and reinventing the wheel.
Kudos on cutting and pasting from rediff.com successfully...as amusing as your furious rants are, it's nice to see a grammatically correct post every now and then.
^ As I've said repeatedly, Pakistan's reliance on undisciplined, irregular forces hasn't been particularly popular in Kashmir. At this point, you're just throwing a tantrum and reinventing the wheel.
Kudos on cutting and pasting from rediff.com successfully...as amusing as your furious rants are, it's nice to see a grammatically correct post every now and then.
Yet again in your desperation, you start admitting your fallacies...such as right here.
Don't you think cutting and pasting decades old truth is right as opposed the "newer and newer" arguments you keep inventing? Of course in your quest for grammatical lies, you have trained yourself to reject truth.
let the wailing and chest beating continue, for, that is all you have left.
^ what nonsense! who cares what Pakistanis feel about Kashmir. You are like the wedding crasher that shamelessly gusav into the party to get a free meal. Pathetic but if that is theonly way you can feed yourself, go for it. Having failed in all else, I guess this is the only forum left for Pakistanis to dream about Kashmir
Wedding crasher? Why are you posting here on this board? Utter shamelessness!
Re: An Independent Kashmir.
Guys and Girls- Please play nice. This is an open board and everyone can share their p.o.v. in here as long as they're in-line with the rules of GupShup.
Thanks