An Independent Kashmir.

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@abdelyuuki

Could you give the source of the figure you’re stating there.

“…in the remaining Dogra area, 237,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated, unless they escaped to Pakistan along the border, by all the forces of the Dogra State headed by the Maharaja in person and aided by Hindus and Sikhs.”
The Times of London, October 10, 1947
Cambridge History of Islam

“Unlike every part of the state, Hindus and Sikhs slightly outnumbered Muslims, and within a period of about 11 weeks, starting in August, systemic savageries …practically eliminated the Muslim element in the population, amounting to 500,000 people. About 200,000 just disappeared, remaining untraceable, having been butchered of died from epidemic or exposure. The rest fled to West Punjab.”
The Statesman, Calcutta
Kashmir in Conflict

“The mad orgy of Dogra violence against unarmed Muslims should put any self-respecting human being to shame. I saw armed bands of ruffians and soldiers shooting down and hacking to pieces helpless Muslim refugees heading towards Pakistan… I saw en route State officials freely distributing arms and ammunition among the Dogras… From the hotel room where I was detained in Jammu I counted as many as twenty-six villages burning one night and all through the night rattling fire of automatic weapons could be heard from the surrounding refugee camps.”
Kashmir Times, October 28, 1947

@abdelyuuki

1)According to your figure of ‘200,000’, 20+% of all people killed in the Partition of India would be muslims from Jammu.

Most contemporary reports in both the international and Indian media seem to agree on the 200,000+ figure.

@abdelyuuki

2. Total population of Jammu in 1947 was around 1-1.5million, and around 50% of the population of Jammu was hindu, that would mean that around 500,000-700,000 muslims lived in Jammu, so killing 200,000+ of them would make 30% of the population dead (lower est), and 40% of the population dead (upper est).

Horrifying, isn’t it?

In the district of Jammu alone, the Muslim population fell by about 110,000 between 1941-51.

@abdelyuuki

3. The uprising only occured in the Poonch district, its total population was around 200,000.

It spread to Mirpur, Muzaffarabad, and Gilgit pretty quickly. I’ve met plenty of people from those areas who are still proudly talk about how their grandparents expelled the Maharaja’s forces so they could join Pakistan.

@abdelyuuki

5. Muslims of Poonch are the same as the muslims of the Potohar region of Pakistan Punjab, so it can be seen why they changed their movement to one of accession to Pakistan.

Meh…in the summer of 1947, the state assembly of Jammu & Kashmir overwhelmingly voted in favor of a bill demanding that the Maharaja sign the state over to Pakistan. I don’t think it was just a Mirpuri/Poonchi thing.

@abdelyuuki

6. Pathans were also douchebags, they looted and killed muslims too.
7. Pathans had the chance to take Srinagar, but were too busy looting.

No one is denying that.

@abdelyuuki

If you forget about the wishes of the people etc, and just look at it from the pov of the rulers (no matter how despised they were), it was still a princely state and not a democracy, the dogra douche asked for help from the Patiala dude, so logically it was his right and decision to ask for help to protect the sovereignty of his land. Pakistan behaved opportunistically, as it realised that the sanctions it had imposed on Kashmir were angering the Maharajah and that their chances of him joining Pakistan were diminishing because of the sanctions. Pakistan wasn’t exactly looking out for the people of Kashmir.

The fact remains that, contrary to popular belief, Indian soldiers were the first to arrive in Kashmir.