An eye for an eye or a spine for a spine

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This article reaffirms the idea that the Saudi concept of justice is warped.
A young Saudi man faces being forcibly paralyzed as a punishment under Islamic sharia law for a crime that left his victim confined to a wheelchair – a ruling condemned by a human rights group Thursday.
Ali al-Khawaher, 24, was convicted of stabbing a childhood friend in the spine during a dispute a decade ago, according to reports in Saudi Arabian media including Al Hayat and Al Watan (link in Arabic).

I know that the victim could have forgiven the accused to reduce his punishment or could have accepted “blood money” which the accused is apparently unable to afford and pay. But the imposition of this idea of justice seems crazy to me.

While Allah (swt) promises justice, I have trouble accepting that Allah (swt) would think it’s just to paralyze a man for the harm he caused another. Am I missing something - is this article a classic case of the West unfairly portraying the Shariah law and justice?

Your thoughts?

Saudi court orders man to be paralyzed as an Islamic punishment - World News

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Wow. Now that’s a new low.

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“The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon Allah.” (al-Shura 42:40) In another place the Qur’an says, “If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah (al-Nahl 16:126-127)

In this case, they shouldn’t even have gone so far as to have a trial. The dispute was decade old, he must have been merely 14 year old. Kids fight, they do things without thinking. I’m sure it could have been resolved without resorting to forcibly paralyzing a person for life.

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This reminds me of the acid case where the girl won her right to have her assailant blinded.
Same concept…

Was this a premeditated and intentional act that caused the victim to be paralyzed? If yes, then of course, it would be divine to forgive but I think that shariah does permit an eye for an eye.

Sends chills down my spine. :frowning:

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Come to think of it, murder is punishable by death in many countries. So does killing someone because they killed someone else count as eye for an eye as well?

Sometimes I feel as if the capital punishment is just the easy way out for offenders but jeez I’d rather vote for the death penalty or life imprisonment than paralysing and blinding someone. :no:

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In the 8th Amendment of the US Constitution, there is the principle of “cruel and unusual punishment” being unacceptable and therefore illegal. It’s for that reason, some forms of capital punishment are outlawed, because the delivery of the punishment may be cruel.

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Utter UTter ****tole Saudi ARabia and every single ARab country.

Every time we US Pakis see UK Paki worship Arabs, dress like them or speak like them (akhi) it makes me cringe. The laws in most Arab countries sto pmarriage to non-Arabs and the people here have the nerve to hold them up to a standard of worship or Islam.

Allah Pakistaniyon ki bewaqoofi se bachai

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I agree^ completely.

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Ameen. Dua sirf doosrun ke liye na maanga karain. Apne liye bhi maang liya karo.

American government bombs countries left and right too. It makes me cringe too when people idolize Obama and look up to him. Shrugs.
(not that I am ignoring the mistakes that arabs or whoever makes, but just to speak in your language).

On topic: If the news is true, then it’s sad. I mean if I were the vicim, I wouldnt get any peace by such a ‘compensation’ and neither would my life be any better.

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Hahahaahahaaha

God obama why does he have to be such a jerk, trying to give healthcare to everyone. It’s all his fault isn’t it?

Arabic laws are stupid, but God forbid somebody criticizes them. I wonder which one is better a country where women can’t drive or a state that has a law that says doctors can withhold information if they fear you will abort the fetus.

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Read in context.

  1. The post wasn’t about Obama.
    Zetsui typed how he/she can’t understand why people want to be like arabs, because arabic laws are stupid and Pakistanis who admire arabs are bewaqoofs.
    I gave him likewise argument back. How can people admire a mass murderer? Or in same words as zetsu:, dress like americans, speak like americans?

Btw, Hitler did good things aswell. So?

  1. Nowhere did I say anything in favour of shady arabic laws, nor did I attack zetsui for critisizing them.

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I’ve said this before - world politics is ugly and the average citizen (and that includes us all, to be fair) doesn’t really care about it as long as he’s provided for. Both Saudi Arabia and the US have funded terrorism for their own agendas but do people really care if it’s not affecting them directly? Both Obama and King Abdullah are loved by their countrymen. People were literally screaming “We love King Abdullah” on the streets of Riyadh in 2011 when he announced $93 billion for welfare benefits, jobs, housing, healthcare etc. It’s all funny in a sad way.

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my post wasn’t directed to you regarding criticism but the other poster didn’t mention the leader of Arabic nations right? (unless I didn’t read it right)
its because the law is old and its not the leader but the country itself that has a problem. I just found it offensive that you dropped Obamas name into the discussion. He’s not a mass murderer nor does he think that women shouldn’t be able to drive.

I too find it stupid when I see people from different nationalities idolizing one particular culture or country.. but thats just me.

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Only tea1234 brought up the age of the offender when stabbing done. He was 14 years old.

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This is very offtopic, but why do you find it offensive that I dropped his name?

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I hope this is taken the right way. You nailed it. The progressives typically form 15% of any country. They are the anti war group, equality for all, universal healthcare. The extreme Right 15%. They are the war hawks. They wory about “war on insert your favorite religion here”. The middle “don’t care as long as they are provided for.”

As for Obama being loved by his countrymen, he gets attacked by the Right as Hitler birth cert etc. The Progressives think he doesn’t do enough for the poor. Progressives not in favor of Iraq war or drones. (I don’t know what you meant by Obana funding terrorists).

No comparison between Obama and King Abdullah. Obama grew up hard life. Accomplishments due to his initiative. Did things for the poor - community activist. To paint the two with same brush not appropriate.yes he is a politician.

America is still the place folks want to come to. Overall rewards accomplishments. No comparison with Saudi Arabia. That doesn’t mean progressives don’t recognize its faults.

I sincerely hope this post taken as constructive and not argumentative.

^:hayaa:

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I was not comparing the two individuals, I was comparing the support of the countrymen for their leaders. And since I’m one of those “anti war progressives”, you don’t see me singing praises for any of the world leaders because really it’s come to the lesser of the two evils.

But this is getting off-topic so forget it.

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“Since I am one of those " anti war progressives”, you don’t see me singing praises for any of the world leader""

OK. Now I understand the context. Agreed.

PS. Some of the better discussions take place when tey are tangentially related to the topic at hand. The root cause sometimes is tangential and so by definition a bit off topic. But I digress.

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its not his name in particular but any name lol.
he’s not really important, he’s just another politician after all.