Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
As a further thought to ponder. I present a physical anthropology map of the subcontinent, one that includes at least part of Pakistan but all of India. The map is from Coon’s famous book on physical anthropol.
Things to note
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring popu
Thanks for the referance.
But u still didnt give a referance for the pakistan haplo group. I cant make out from the map and the map itself is not instructive as the map is europe and the haplo groups given are pakistani tribes.
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
First, this thread starter should give the link!. dont proceed with out that.
Besides you dont have to insist so much on all these. you different from us.
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its shocking theres difference in dna lineage between pakistan and neighboring.. it cannot be true.. as many refugees who were basic residents were displaced atleast they ought have common lineage i mean punjabis and bengalis
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Besides you dont have to insist so much on all these. you different from us.
What is also interesting is that he is talking about the y chromosomal haplotype(paternal) while being mum on mt-haplotypes(maternal). It is a well known that all those who came from central asia are mainly men and not women. It would be interesting to see how much we are all related from the mothers side.
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still what he is proving is, pakistanis are not actually pakistanis. They were invaders from central asia.
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
Stick to the topic. Sarcasm on this thread is considered as spam, so do not continue in this vain. Only things of educational value should be posted. Btw, I didn't understand what you were trying to say, and if you cannot prove what you're trying to say with some solid references (as I have done), then do not bother.
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The haplogroups of Pakistan map is NOT of Pakistani tribes. Pakistan is not like India in this respect. Each group shown on that map are Pakistani ETHNIC GROUPS - None of them are tribes. A tribe is for example the Afridi tribe of the Pathan ethnic groups. Can you see Afridi on any part of that map? No. That map is just of ethnic groups.
For the reference of the Pakistan map it is
Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in Pakistan
Raheel Qamar,1,2 Qasim Ayub,1,2 Aisha Mohyuddin,1,2 Agnar Helgason,3 Kehkashan Mazhar,1 Atika Mansoor,1 Tatiana Zerjal,2 Chris Tyler-Smith,2 and S. Qasim Mehdi1
The journal it was published in was The American Society of Human Genetics.
A clear map showing the above is also presented in different form below. The blue (Labelled as C), is the same as the yellow in the map in the first post. aka it is Hg3/R1a1
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Actually the answer again is not a lot. I shall provide evidence for this soon. It is a common Indian trick to present a certain map to make it look as though they are Pakistani and so can claim Pakistan history when the map is an illusion, and easily proveable by the "small print". Pakistani MtDNA is perhaps 50% European, partly indigenous, and part East Asian, but again very little is Indian. The evidence to show this is clearly available. I will show it soon.
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Not so much Central Asia. But from the North, yes. And to a degree every population is probably the result of a migration or invasion, even India is.
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^^answer this. if these were invaders, then harappa and mohenjadaro civilizations belongs to dravidians. yes or no?. if i remember, somewhere you were against this idea.
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Nope, in the case of Aryans arriving to Pakistan after Harrapa it does not mean Harrapa was a Dravidian civilization. There was probably no "invasion" just a slow migration and perhaps assimilation followed by huge flooding. Archeaology points this way, and suggests the Indus Valley civilization was a mixture of Dravidianized people and Aryan people, much like modern day Pakistan.
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so even ancient pakistan was a misture of dravidians and aryans by that case, at least at one point?....
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I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. Ancient Pakistan was more or less the same base as the people today. i.e. They had more or less the same haplogroups as I've shown in the map, they were Aryans along with some Dravidians and some Dravidianized Aryans. Nothing has changed much. The people of the Indus Valley were simply the antecendants of modern day Pakistanis, many of whom were wiped out during the floods of the Indus Valley.
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oh really.....first give link to what you are saying.
Even india has aryans and dravidians as well. what is percentage of so-called aryans and dravidians in pakistan?
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India is majority Dravidian, minority Aryan
Pakistan is majority Aryan, minority Dravidian
Both have in between phenotypes also.
You want a link showing you Pakistan is majority Aryan? Look at the maps for a start (the charts clearly show Eurasian lineages).
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
give me the links for those maps and clear cut percentages as to who is in what percentage?
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
Links are all on the previous page. Keep up with the thread please. It’s impossible to give exact percentages unless a nationwide anthropological analysis has been done, which it has not (cranial measurements etc.) However I have provided proof that Pakistan is majority Aryan and India is majority Dravidian in the following map (which I also showed on the previous page)
I will explain the map in more detail later. But the Pakistani element is C which is and Aryan element, the majority of the Indian elements are A and D which are all Dravidian elements.
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So where do you have the dravidian genes. I don t see. U r more related to the northies and all I have seen and I went through both the papers is that pakistanies and their different "ethenicities" are related to somehow to india.
Re: An educational thread on the differences between Pakistanis and neighbouring populi
Right, so you know my data is correct. First point. Second point, Pakistanis, at least Punjabi Pakistanis are related to Indian Punjabis. In general Northwest India only shares some similarity with Pakistan (as far a the Eastern Punjab where the people get progressively less Pakistani looking as you go East through the Punjab). The majorityof India, NorthEast India, Central India, NorthCentral India, all of South India shares no resemblance to Pakistanis. This is the important point. The average Pakistani has completely different genetics to the average Indian, and physically the average Pakistani looks completely different to the average Indian. The maps I have shown confirm this view, as do other studies which I will show soon.