Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
Have you gents actually read the translated copy of his statement? The reason I ask is because its the same policy Israel has.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
Israel is not ruled by clerics. Iran is, with a wicked fundamentalist twist. Don't equivocate
And i thought that Indians would be happy with the current Iranian regime. Do you really want an Iranian government which would derive its legitimacy from Washington ?
Israel is not ruled by clerics. Iran is, with a wicked fundamentalist twist. Don't equivocate
hahaha what a joke of a post.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
"you are either with us or against us." khameinis and bushes are all the same birds. except bush's primary victims weren't his countrymen.
it is a bit ironic to see people being restricted from places named Azadi square and Enquilab park.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
^ More like, you abide by the law or you dont. rioting and vandalising is illegal.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
lol.. doesn't matter if the "law" was something khomeini baba aka shah arya mehr #2 made up 2 days ago?
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
pardon? I didnt realise vandalising was ok in your part of the country?
what utter rubbish. From someone who actually lsitened to the speech live, this thread is utter distortion and generaly flaming.
Im not sure what you've been listening to, but Ayatullah Khamenei actually did warn the basijis that they will be held accountablefor any unlawful killing, there is actually an investigation going on over the tehrani uni killings.
secondly, the rioters have taken to burning buildings and cars, and putting people's lives at risk. They have not been peacful protest by any means.
The onus is on the rioters, and protesters, and the party leaders who encourage this beahviour. There is a legal way, use it.
From first hand witnesses, a group of student protesters who refused to sit thier exams, decided to attack another group of students who were actually sitting thier exams. Their exams were torn apart mid way and the exam sitting students were attacked. It wasnt until security was called in, and the mob arrested, did the issue settle down. That part was not reported however, apparently according to western media, the police entered tehran uni and attacked 'innocent' students.
The distortion is unbelievable;
good point. It also interesting to see that rafsanjani has remained silent and wasnt even present at the speech. His rift is know with ahmadinejad and khameini. Also, Khameini in the speech disowned him.
There is someway and somehow these rallies are "funded". It wouldnt be surprising to see if the reason for US EU silence is to distablize the current situation internally w/o making interantional statements which would be regarded as interference.
Israel is not ruled by clerics. Iran is, with a wicked fundamentalist twist. Don't equivocate
r u really a
i mean what the F
^ More like, you abide by the law or you dont. rioting and vandalising is illegal.
What happened to the sanctimony, self righteousness indignation and moral outrage over the killing of innocents Ma Mooli used to post?
Are you really defending this brutality against the Iranian people? How can a people "follow the law" when that "law" is made up on the fly by an illegitimate government?
They are imprisoning, killing, beating and harassing anyone who dare walk the street or voice conern. The vast majorit of these protests have been peaceful, their concerns and outrage legitimate; yet they are under practical martial law and are being brutalized.
Anyone who dare sanction or justify these actions have absolutely zero credibility to ever pretend to know about or advocate democracy. They have no right to ever accuse another nation of stifling free speech or freedoms. They will not be taken seriously when they call for leaders to be held responsible and prosecuted for heinous crimes. They will not be believable when they say they care about their fellow Muslims and they will certainly be hypocritical if they feign moral outrage over any future slaughter of innocents.
From a poster on an Iranian forum:
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To the people who pretend to be friends of us and pretend to show concern, and shed crocodile tears over the lost lives in recent protests: where were you when the Mammad Reza was in place and sending the army to peaceful protests and opening fire on them with G-3s? Where were you when we were trying to form a new government after the revolution? Where were you when Saddam attacked us and gassed our cities and villages?
The answer to those questions: you put Mammad Reza and place and strengthened his capacity for oppressing our people. You were actively engaged in undermining our new government (and attempted many coups, all of which failed). You supported Saddam, and to this day argue that he was justified in invading us.
So why now, have you suddenly made yourselves the voice of the Iranian people??? Why do you claim to show concern? The only reason you know about our current issues is because it is on CNN non-stop. Once the situation dies down and you go back to your Angelina Jolie and George Clooney news, you will completely forget about the so-called 'solidarity' which you now claim to have with the people of Iran.
Your intentions are mallicious, and we know this very well.
In fact, forget about all those past events. What about the Zahedan mosque bombings, which were just a few months ago??? More people died in that bombing than in all of these protests combined. But did you devote even a minute to that news report? Did you ever show the graphic images of the victims? Did any of you care in the least bit?
And now that we are on the topic, why did you fail to give any attention to the sham elections in Lebanon (in which the opposition won 55 percent of the vote and lost; in which the Saudi government flew voters to Lebanon from other countries)?
hmmm... could it be that you are acting based on your political agenda?
If you're not Iranian, STFU and stay out of our business. Thank you.
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they will certainly be hypocritical if they feign moral outrage over any future slaughter of innocents.
Exactly.
I really, honestly hope that Israelis start shooting pregnant Palestinian women and killing Palestinian babies because of what is happening in Iran today. I will not be morally outraged so people like you will not call me a hypocrite. That's because I truly care about what people like you think of me.
Then, our US Congress can pass a resolution condemning the existence of the Palestinian women and babies because they got in the way of Israeli bullets.
And then we will all be really happy because there are dead Palestinian babies and we are not hypocrites. This is exactly what Seminole wants: Dead Palestinian babies and non-hypocritical Muslims.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
You can wish for dead babies all you want. I don't care. But the sanctimonious Ma Mooli needs to be called out.
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What happened to the sanctimony, self righteousness indignation and moral outrage over the killing of innocents Ma Mooli used to post?
Are you really defending this brutality against the Iranian people? How can a people "follow the law" when that "law" is made up on the fly by an illegitimate government?
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I wasn't aware vandalising, burning down opposition buildings, banks, petrol pumps, cars, attacking security forces buildings and tearing apart exam papers, attacking students who dare sit them, is actually a legitimate form of protest.
Illegitimate government according to whom? you?
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They are imprisoning, killing, beating and harassing anyone who dare walk the street or voice conern. The vast majorit of these protests have been peaceful, their concerns and outrage legitimate; yet they are under practical martial law and are being brutalized.
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That's just it, the vast majority has not been peaceful protesting...dont they tell you that stuff on twitter?
That's just it, the vast majority has not been peaceful protesting...dont they tell you that stuff on twitter?
How would you know? Iran has banned the media from reporting on the protests. Brave souls risking their lives to upload images and their stories to the internet while you gleefully write them off as vandals. Today in Iran if you are posting on the internet about the protests and get caught you face jail or worse, why is this? Why are you defending such a regime?
How would you know? Iran has banned the media from reporting on the protests. Brave souls risking their lives to upload images and their stories to the internet while you gleefully write them off as vandals. Today in Iran if you are posting on the internet about the protests and get caught you face jail or worse, why is this? Why are you defending such a regime?
yes because the media is continuosly false reporting, they are playing a key part in all of this, distorting every fact they can to make it come across to you like it has. I can see the difference in the blatant propaganda and what is happening, because I dont rely solely on news sources who have thier own agenda, nor social networking sites like twitter, not only because they give you an ants eyeview instead of a birds eye view, but because they are not all that reliable. Anyone can set up an account and set thier location to tehran, and spread misinformation deliberately. This has been happening in the past few days, and is still happening at present...and people are falling for it like flies on muck.
I wasn't aware vandalising, burning down opposition buildings, banks, petrol pumps, cars, attacking security forces buildings and tearing apart exam papers, attacking students who dare sit them, is actually a legitimate form of protest.
Illegitimate government according to whom? you?
That's just it, the vast majority has not been peaceful protesting...dont they tell you that stuff on twitter?
Do you actually believe the crap you are posting about the government and these protests are you an liar without morals like the mullahs and lunatic president of Iran?
You are spreading lies and you are a hypocrite to the nth degree. You defend this oppressive and murdering mullahcracy, yet pretend to advocate freedoms and democracy elsewhere. Do you have a crush on Ahmadinejad or something? Are you fond of Jew hating nutjobs or is it the oppressive thugs that really run that country that turn you on?
Either way, you are on the wrong side of history. This may not be the revolution yet, but it is coming. The young people of Iran who want to be a part of the world community and have their voices heard will soon have their say and you, the corrupt leaders and other apoligizers will be seen as the great satans.
Re: Amnesty International: : Khamenei's speech gives legitimacy to police brutality
Hey Sem weren't you the guy that said that Afghani children should be shot?
Funny post seminole. you should get on the fire and brimstone podium more often.
Do you actually believe the crap you are posting about the government and these protests are you an liar without morals like the mullahs and lunatic president of Iran?
You are spreading lies and you are a hypocrite to the nth degree. You defend this oppressive and murdering mullahcracy, yet pretend to advocate freedoms and democracy elsewhere. Do you have a crush on Ahmadinejad or something? Are you fond of Jew hating nutjobs or is it the oppressive thugs that really run that country that turn you on?
Is that a trick question?
If that is you're funny way of asking whose side I am on, then I would tell you that had you asked pre-election, my vote would have been with mousavi for various reasons, but seeing how unprofessionally he has behaved since, I can no longer support or justify his childish behaviour...and many of those who actually voted for him agree. They blame him for instigating the post election chaos.
This man announces his victory before polls even closed on friday, and when it turnes out to be false, he throws a bloody tantrum. Then he has the gall to question how quick it took to count all the votes! what gives?
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Either way, you are on the wrong side of history. This may not be the revolution yet, but it is coming. The young people of Iran who want to be a part of the world community and have their voices heard will soon have their say and you, the corrupt leaders and other apoligizers will be seen as the great satans.
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I guess thats a wait and see... for a military invasion. But just a tad FYI, if you knew anything about Iran, you would know that there are far more relatively young people of Iran siding with ahmadinejaad than the tiny elite smashing windows in tehran. why is it then we dont hear from them? or is it that we dont *want *to hear from them..because they dont aspire to the views as much?
The reformist candidates Rafsanjani, Mousavi and khatami were each elected to two terms in Iran, did anyone see the hardliners cry foul and burn opposition buildings and cars, inorder to make their voice heard? No i didnt think so, but I guess they're the more civilsed bunch of the two.
But Ahmadinejaad gets a second term, and these folks dont know how to lose with dignity and resort to vandalism. You wouldnt support in your own home town, I dont know why you even think of doing it here?