America's ongoing love for Israel.

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Hi guys,

I am just reading on past and proposed american foreign policy towards Israel. I have always been curious to understand the pyschi of the americans and why they simply can’t go against Israel - be it, whether they are right or wrong. We see countless mentions in the speeches of a number of high profile politicans of protecting ISrael, How Israel will always be their first priorty etc etc… not taking into account every coin has two sides. Why is that? Why are the Americans in particular so attached to Israel? Why can’t they just call a spade a spade and speak aloud when they disagree with Israel’s actions? Just curious to see how other people view this. Opinions will be appreciated.

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

It's not the American people who blindly support Israel. No doubt there are many who support Israel's policies. That does not mean there are no intelligent critical thinkers. The media is powerful and the media says is accepted as truth and no questions are asked. Unfortunately, the average American just doesn't care because the media (which is all connected) has enough garbage ("entertainment) to keep the average American's focus not on REALITY but on britney spears, eating worms on tv for money, guns, sex, hollywood...etc That is why TV is called an "idiot box", only idiots are born from it. No wonder America is known for her idiots.

Those who do stand up against all this are called one of these names "communist", "socialist", "leftist", "terrorist sympathizer" ... the media shoots down their views with these terms and the media then forms the popular opinion. The popular opinion is then promoted heavily by the powerful influential groups. Fortunately, we have the internet which allows us to sift through the garbage out there and form our own opinion.

so don't feel that nobody is speaking out, they are, just that we don't see or hear them...

Wadah-e-shab
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This is a typical post by an West-settled Pakistani who is filled to the brims with Muslimness and hence the utter lack of knowledge about the international policies. The title of this post clearly shows the immature approach towards American-Israeli relationship.

FYI, love is defined between individuals (preferably between a man and woman). But the same is not true among nations and countries.

Countries come together due to their shared interests, and once those interests are not the same, things go in different ways.

This is true with every country in the world and not just Americans and Israelis.

Israel and Israeli-Americans have made sure that Israel continues to serve American interests for the past 60 years, and in return she gets "shabash" from Americans.

Palestinians on the other hands have made sure they support Hitler (back in the 40s), and then support Communists and Soviets from 40s to 90s. Even in Gulf War I, Palestinians were on Saddam's side while other Arabs like Egypt, Jordan etc were supporting the USA.

In summary, anyone with an iota of knowledge about history can tell that if you were supporting Hitler and then Stalin etc., you will not be on the most-favored list of Americans.

And that's precisely why dear Sara, Americans as you say "love" Israel. If Palestinians start behaving like other pro-American countries, and consistently behave as such for 20 years, then for sure they will also be "loved" by Americans.

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

^^ Excellent point but I do think Americans need to look at the Palestinian situation from a humanitarian viewpoint. Even if Palestinian leaders might have supported Hitler and then Communism and then Saddam and now Iran, Americans need to make a difference between its leaders and its people

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Agreed. A fair playing field would be best. :k:

Empower Palestinian people, and they’ll root out their own problems. Deny them the most basic necessities while supporting Israel, and you’ll have at your hand hopeless individuals who resort to violent measures to get their point across.

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What exactly has Israel done, can you elaborate?

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

Answer: See all 18 parts of "Rothschilds Timeline 01 of 18" on Youtube.

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I agree.

FYI. Americans do look at Palestinian situation from humanitarian viewpoint. They and the EU are the biggest donors.

But Americans or EU would not give Palestinians any weapons or other military aid. That is until Palestinian are squarely in the Western camp.

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Clarity - i am only british - full stop.

Clarity - filled with muslimness - what's that then?? dude or dear lady, what ever you are.. you are quiet judgemental about people.. and as for the muslimness, to set the record straight - i really wouldnt cut the ranks my darling, trust me on that lol.

Clarity - forgive the ignorance, hence the question was put out to wider opinion

Clarity - love was me being metaphorical -

dude - ease up

peace out. and thankyou for sharing your political knowledge.

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OK. British sahiba or perhaps "British of South Asian origin" sahiba. Doesn't matter though. In any case you should be proud of your roots even if you are now "full" British.

you are "Forgiven" mohtarma. In this day and age, the question has to be put in the right context. So it is important to do your home work and be precise. There is so much information out there on Wiki etc.

If you simply want to show up in the gupshup classroom and start surmising

*"pyschi of the americans and why they simply can't go against Israel - be it, whether they are right or wrong."
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Then you are setting up yourself as a someone who is hell bent on attacking one side only. To be honest this type of question or post is usually treated as a flame bait.

But if you frame the question with Israel-Arab relationships based on a specific period say 1948, or 1962, or 1967, or 1973 etc. Then you would get a specific answer as to what exactly did Americans say about Israel vs. what they said about Arabs.

I hope you see the point here.

You are very welcome madam.

p.s. BTW Your question can be reversed to say something like ** Why do Pakistanis and West-Settled Pakistanis have a psyche that they will always rubbish Israel and Jews "be it whether they are right or not"?**.

Even when Israel has never threatened Pakistanis [no rumors and conspiracy theories please].

In fact Israel has always longed for better relationship with Pakistan. We go one step towards them and they come 3 steps towards us just to show their eagerness towards us.

And Pakistan has never threatened Israel either. Thank goodness Pakistan is not ruled by nutjobs who would drink Islamic-cola and then go mad threatening to wipe out a country in the 21st century.

Bachpan ka khel
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Easy on the rhetoric. People and specifically muslims including Ahmedinejad (who's often quoted out of context) have problems with the double-standards of Govt. of Israel, not with the nation itself. Please put down you ultra-liberal cola and understand things in their correct context.

There is no proof of Israel wanting or being "eager" for Pakistan's friendship. It would be nice if you could provide a reference to that. Most of us would be enlightened.

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

burqa boy, easy there. No country in their right mind would try to nuke Israel or even think of doing it. Why would a country want to "wipe out" as you misquoted, a country with 300 nukes? Israel has nukes and nobody is going to lift a finger against them.

Btw, no country supports Israel, go check the UN resolutions, when asked all against,,, guess who's the single country that raises the hand, AMERICA. America bows down to Israel. America fights for Israel. If you are too blind to see that, may God help you.

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kinna vela time haiga tere kol

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Re: America’s ongoing love for Israel.

The Israel Lobby?, by Noam Chomsky If you are really interested check out Chomsky

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Re: America’s ongoing love for Israel.

Actually forget Noam Chomsky. Read the latest book by two Jewish professors from Harvard and Chicago University (I think).

Amazon.com: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: Books

The best part about this book is that it proves everything Burka said is wrong and propoganda but more importantly sites a majority of their references using public documents one can easily find.

Currently on page 232. So far they have used the statements made by the Israeli Government and AIPAC to prove that it is not in the US national interest to support israel. rather due to Israel the US gets a bad rep.

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

Palestinians were not supporting Hitler or the Communists, that is a blatant lie. The Palestinians, being the on the defensive of waves of massacres by the Haganah (armed Jewish settlers) looked elsewhere to find support. Hitler nor the Communists, however, cared for the Palestinian issue.

I have to ask, are you Muslim, are you Pakistani? You sound like a mouthpiece for Zionists and Israelis.

The Palestinians have gone through the most difficult 60 years of their history, and yet you blame the Palestinians for the theft of their land by Israelis. Shame on you.

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It was about time Chmskians and other sundry socialists and marxists showed up in this thread as well.

CM bro! If Israel starts behaving with USA like typical leftists (Syria, Iran etc), the Jewish lobby in America won't be able to do a squat.

Many Pakistanis and West-settled south-asian Muslims go off on the deep end when they think of Israel. The problem is simple. They drink from Islamic-socialist cola and get high, very high and then go off the cliff.

There are so many examples of countries large and small who have "wedded" their future to the USA full time. Guess what? Americans respond in kind.

For a moment, if Chomskians get their heads out of the cow-patties, they would realize that Ireland, UK, Japan, India, S. Korea, Israel etc. etc. have made themselves part of the American corporate branches on "permanent basis". People in these countries wait for the "service call" from the USA on 24 hours 365 days a year.

The result is simple, they get financial or strategic (or both) support from the USA. There is no magic in there, so get out of Harry Potter world and smell the coffee.

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Which part of that drivel you call a post was based on fact? Seriously. All I see is conjecture with no substance.

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Re: America's ongoing love for Israel.

I am still waiting for answer from burqaposh regarding what Israel did for USA.

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Here is a brief response. Off course in a strong anti-Israeli emotionally-charged (read unbalanced) crowd few answers will be acceptable.

There is a long list. The biggest role of Israel has been to serve as anti-Communist listening post right next to Syria and Egypt.

A few of the concrete examples are listed here.

In 1956, Israel army was part of the coalition that opened up the Suez canal after socialist Gamal blockaded it.

1967 war was the best way Israel-an-American proxy beat the crap out of Communist-proxies aka Egypt and Syria.

Whenever USA needed a friendly base in the Middle East to transfer "sensitive" cargo, they used Israel.

But then you would ask what UK, Ireland, S. Korea, Japan have done for the USA. Behas per behas kerna to yahan ki norm ha.