Amazing Quran !

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**“Do they not consider the Qur’an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.” **

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Amazing Quran–A book by Gary Miller

Few interesting extract from this book :slight_smile:

One thing which surprises non-Muslims who are examining the book very closely is that the Qur’an does not appear to them to be what they expected. What they assume is that they have an old book which came fourteen centuries ago from the Arabian desert; and they expect that the book should look something like that - an old book from the desert. And then they find out that it does not resemble what they expected at all.

Many centuries before the onset of Muhammad’s Prophethood, there was a well-known theory of atomism advanced by the Greek philosopher, Democritus. He and the people who came after him assumed that matter consists of tiny, indestructible, indivisible particles called atoms. The Arabs too, used to deal in the same concept; in fact, the Arabic word dharrah commonly referred to the smallest particle known to man. Now, modern science has discovered that this smallest unit of matter (i.e., the atom, which has all of the same properties as its element) can be split into its component parts. This is a new idea, a development of the last century; yet, interestingly enough, this information had already been documented in the Qur’an which states:

**“He * is aware of an atom’s weight in the heavens and on the earth and even anything smaller than that…” ***

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Falsification Test

A truly scientific approach to the Qur'an is possible because the Qur'an offers something that is not offered by other religious scriptures, in particular, and other religions, in general. It is what scientists demand. Today there are many people who have ideas and theories about how the universe works. These people are all over the place, but the scientific community does not even bother to listen to them. This is because within the last century the scientific community has demanded a test of falsification. They say, "If you have theory, do not bother us with it unless you bring with that theory a way for us to prove whether you are wrong or not."

Such a test was exactly why the scientific community listened to Einstein towards the beginning of the century. He came with a new theory and said, "I believe the universe works like this; and here are three ways to prove whether I am wrong!". So the scientific community subjected his theory to the tests, and within six years it passed all three. Of course, this does not prove that he was great, but it proves that he deserved to be listened to because he said, "This is my idea; and if you want to try to prove me wrong, do this or try that." This is exactly what the Qur'an has - falsification tests

. For example, the Qur'an mentions man's origin and then tells the reader, "Research it!" It gives the reader a hint where to look and then states that one should find out more about it. This is the kind of thing that Muslims today largely seem to overlook - but not always, as illustrated in the following example. A few years ago, a group of men in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia collected all if the verses in the Qur'an which discuss embryology - the growth of the human being in the womb. They said, "Here is what the Qur'an says. Is it the truth?" In essence, they took the advice of the Qur'an: "Ask the men who know." They chose, as it happened, a non-Muslim who is a professor of embryology at the University of Toronto. His name is Keith Moore, and he is the author of textbooks on embryology - a world expert on the subject. They invited him to Riyadh and said, "This is what the Qur'an says about your subject. Is it true? What can you tell us?" While he was in Riyadh, they gave him all of the help that he needed in translation and all of the cooperation for which he asked. And he was so surprised at what he found that he changed his textbooks. In fact, in the second edition of one of his books, called Before we are born... in the second edition about the history of embryology, he included some material that was not in the first edition because of what he found in the Qur'an

I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Keith Moore for a television presentation, and we talked a great deal about this - it was illustrated by slides and so on. He mentioned that some of the things that the Qur'an states about the growth of the human being were not known until thirty years ago. In fact, he said that one item in particular - the Qur'an's description of the human being as a "leech-like clot" ('alaqah) at one stage - was new to him; but when he checked on it, he found that it was true, and so he added it to his book. He said, "I never thought of that before," and he went to the zoology department and asked for a picture of a leech. When he found that it looked just like the human embryo, he decided to include both pictures in one of his textbooks. Dr. Moore also wrote a book on clinical embryology, and when he presented this information in Toronto, it caused quite a stir throughout Canada. It was on the front pages of some of the newspapers across Canada, and some of the headlines were quite funny. For instance, one headline read: "SURPRISING THING FOUND IN ANCIENT BOOK!"! It seems obvious from this example that people do not clearly understand what it is all about.

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Falsification Test-II

As has already been mentioned, there is much information contained in the Qur'an whose source cannot be attributed to anyone other than Allah. For example, who told Muhammad about the wall of Dhul-Qarnayn - a place hundreds of miles to the north? Who told him about embryology? When people assemble facts such as these, if they are not willing to attribute their existence to a divine source, they automatically resort to the assumption someone brought Muhammad the information and that he used it to fool the people. However, this theory can easily be disproved with one simple question: "If Muhammad was a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he tell some people out right to their face what others could never say?" Such confidence depends completely upon being convinced that one has a true divine revelation. For example, the Prophet (SAW) had an uncle by the name of Abu Lahab. This man hated Islam to such an extent that he used to follow the Prophet around in order to discredit him. If Abu Lahab saw the Prophet (SAW) speaking to a stranger, he would wait until they parted and then would go to the stranger and ask him, "What did he tell you? Did he say, 'Black.'? Well, it's white. Did he say, 'Morning.'? Well, it's night." He faithfully said the exact opposite of whatever he heard Muhammad (SAW) and the Muslims say. However, about ten years before Abu Lahab died, a little chapter in the Qur'an was revealed to him. It distinctly stated that he would go to the Fire (i.e., Hell). In other words, it affirmed that he would never become a Muslim and would therefore be condemned forever. For ten years all Abu Lahab had to do was say, "I heard that it has been revealed to Muhammad that I will never change - that I will never become a Muslim and will enter the Hellfire. Well I want to become a Muslim now. How do you like that? What do you think of your divine revelation now?" But he never did that. And yet, that is exactly the kind of behavior one would have expected from him since he always sought to contradict Islam. In essence, Muhammad (SAW) said, "You hate me and you want to finish me? Here, say these words, and I am finished. Come on, say them!" But Abu Lahab never said them. Ten years! And in all that time he never accepted Islam or even became sympathetic to the Islamic cause. How could Muhammad possibly have known for sure that Abu Lahab would fulfill the Qur'anic revelation if he (i.e., Muhammad) was not truly the messenger of Allah? How could he possibly have been so confident as to give someone 10 years to discredit his claim of Prophethood? The only answer is that he was Allah's messenger; for in order to put forth suck a risky challenge, one has to be entirely convinced that he has a divine revelation.

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Code Red,

So sub atomic particles were also described in your holy book. Really amazing!

What about the fundamental forces..?? What about quantum physics...?? I think all things are mentioned in your holy book. And whenever European scholars shall device new theory, after then you shall find in your holy book that it was already there. NOT BEFORE THAT.

Quran dose not contain a single thing which cannot come into an human's mind.

Concept of tinest particle already came in the mind of Democretus. Sub-division of "tinest" particle can also come in human's mind. For example in elementry physics, "quark" is considered to be a "fundamental particle" i.e. a non sub-dividable particle. But an idea of sub-division of quark can come in my mind. So it is within the scope of human mind's abilities to "speculate" even the sub-division of the tinest particle.

You ppl claim that future events have been predicted in your holy book. And the fact is that no future event has been predicted at all. Whatever has been claimed to be a mention about the future events has been described in the that 1500 years old terminology i.e. future terminology has not been used, which is the proof that these are mere speculations and are not the correct informations about future events. So why god did not used the term fundamental particle...??? This term could not come in the mind of the author of holy book because it was beyond the scope of abilities of human mind.

I cannot estimate how much money that professor moore might have earned by selling his opinion in your favour. Holy book's embryology is not more than the ancient Greek Embryology which is by now a discarded and out dated embryology.

And if Professor Moore's opinion which support your religion is based on pure honesty then your holy book's teachings that jews and christians cannot be the friends of muslims proves wrong. So if teachings are wrong then book itself is wrong.

Holy book is unaware about sperms. All it knows is "semen" which is known to a 12 years old boy also.

Holy book is un-aware about human female's egg.

According to holy book, human's race proceeds from father side only. It is mentioned in your holy book that god "extracts" the souls of all future humans from the back of Adam only to take promise from them etc. (i.e. ignoring the role of eve.)

Holy book and ahadiths are un-aware why children resemble to their parents. Holy book is scilent on this issue and ahadiths give wrong information in this respect. It is mentioned in ahadiths that if male's orgism proceeds fe-males orgism then the child would resemble father otherwise shall resemble to mother. This is complete ignorence of genetic structure.

Using cloning method, the role of male can be eliminated at all. But this situation is opposite to holy books position where primary role for the birth of next generation is of men.

Quran dose talk of birth of Jesus without father but again it is impossible even using the cloning method. In cloning, a female only can give birth to another female who also shall be a copy of parent female. Female cannot give birth to a male even in clonning because female's cells do not contain "y" chromosome.

So Jesus's birth is also the violation of true embryology.

Somewhere holy book evidently seems to be written by some human. For example description of "huge" mountains. Mountains appear to be "huge" to humans. They should not be huge for god.

Holy book's embryology is out dated and discarded and is wrong. Is it not the successful application of rejection principle....???

The theories which can be rejected so easily as that type of "embryology", These theories are not even suitable to be called as metaphysical theories. Such easily destructible theories are the superstitious theories.

Rejection principle mainly is deviced to differentiate between metaphysics and science.

Metaphysics is that which cannot be tested scientifically i.e. testing of which is beyond the scope of science.

Theories that can be tested scientifically can be of two types;

1) Scientific theories: Theories that pass scientific test.
2) Superstitious theories: Theories that fail in scientific test. (Just like your embyology.)

If you insist on the applicability of rejection principle on your religion then in fact you yourself are reducing the status of your religion from metaphysics to superstition. Because after all, all your religion cannot pass the scientific test.

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Re: Amazing Quran !

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*Originally posted by Code_Red: *

*"He * is aware of an atom's weight in the heavens and on the earth and even anything smaller than that..." *
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See the logical conclusion.

Who is aware of an atom's weight and even anything smaller than that is Allah.

So if a scientist (or even a matric student) who is aware of an atom's weight and even anything smaller than that IS Allah....!!!

Did your god tried to impress us with this (minor) achievement...???

Also note that this is only a claim by your god. Because how much is the weight is ... has not been described. So how shall it come up to falsification principle...???

If you claim that quran is all scientific then surely you should face scientific critical enquiry with open heart.*

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *
Code Red,

So sub atomic particles were also described in your holy book. Really amazing!

What about the fundamental forces..?? What about quantum physics...?? I think all things are mentioned in your holy book. And whenever European scholars shall device new theory, after then you shall find in your holy book that it was already there. NOT BEFORE THAT.
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Yes !

I will not tell you about anything which is in quran and not proved yet.
For example, I shall not tell you about what quran says about existance of life forms other then earth, because there is no no solid evidence of existance or non-existance. Or I will not debate about theory of creation or evolution, just because both are in their primilary stages.

But on the other hand I will discuss big bang theory in context of quranic ayaat. Because after years of research and solid evidence, Big bang is unanimously accepted theory about the creation of Universe. And Quran accuratley describe what we know today.

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Quran dose not contain a single thing which cannot come into an human's mind.

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Human mind is porn to errors,Quran is not. Quran is divine. It may be easy for you to refute but, for anyone knowledgeable in his field, and he is honest to his profession, it is very difficult to do so.

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And if Professor Moore's opinion which support your religion is based on pure honesty then your holy book's teachings that jews and christians cannot be the friends of muslims proves wrong. So if teachings are wrong then book itself is wrong.
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Quran takes religious comunities as whole not on individual basis. jews are no devils and muslims are no angels. Quran just advice muslims to be cautious of them because of their cunning nature. Time proved it many a times.
Muslims ruled spain for around 800 years by far quite fairly. But no descendents of these muslims are found in spain. Muslims gave protection/shelter to Jews in Muslim countries, whenever they were expelled by other comunities for their mischievous nature, but we are still waiting for any reciprocal of those considerations bestowed upon them by Muslims

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Code_Red: *

Yes !

I will not tell you about anything which is in quran and not proved yet.
For example, I shall not tell you about what quran says about existance of life forms other then earth, because there is no no solid evidence of existance or non-existance. Or I will not debate about theory of creation or evolution, just because both are in their primilary stages.

But on the other hand I will discuss big bang theory in context of quranic ayaat. Because after years of research and solid evidence, Big bang is unanimously accepted theory about the creation of Universe. And Quran accuratley describe what we know today.
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Life in other planets is not such a thing which human mind cannot speculate. There is well established field of science known as "Exo Biology" which is concerned with such probabilty analsis and about such speculations.

If something like that is also mentioned in quran it is also not more than a speculation because supporting proof is not given in your holy book.

If at some time, we as a result of efforts done by exo-biology, find the evidence of presence of life on some other planet, it will not then mean that your holy book is from absolute divine. If you take that meaning then why you not consider those exo-biologists speculators to be also such absolute divines....??? Holy book makes speculations in this issue and and those exo-biologists also make speculation in this issue. There is no logical difference between them.

There is no mention of big bang theory in your holy book. All is your false propoganda. You manupulate and change the original meanings of your holy book and make the meanings of your holy book compatible with big bang theory.

Your holy book only says that earth and heavens were joined together (like a sandwitch of two solid flat objects) at some time.

These is no such thing as "heavens" and "earth" in the original big bang theory.

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Human mind is porn to errors,Quran is not. Quran is divine. It may be easy for you to refute but, for anyone knowledgeable in his field, and he is honest to his profession, it is very difficult to do so.
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Holy book is also porn to errors because after all, it has been written by some human.

See my next post with examples of such errors.

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Some samples of Quranic contradictions for you
Prepared by: Syed Kamran Mirza
Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from the Quran translation of Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana Muhiuddin Khan. Hadiths were taken from Bukhari Sharif (Sahih).

Numerical Contradictions: There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.

You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

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Creation of the Heavens and the Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

Sun-set and Sun-rise

The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

A Resting Place for the Sun?

· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.

· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc. Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation. The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in the Earth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.

A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)

· Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.

Can anybody tell me what it is? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.

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Why Allah created Stars:

· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Sky/Heaven is Nothing but A ROOF or Canopy over the Earth:

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

· Quran-31:10: He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky ( heavens ) as roof (canopy) well guarded…

· Quran-2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

Modern science tells us- the Earth is entirely surrounded by space and there is no boundary even if we go billions of trillions of miles in any direction. The question is: If there is no sky above us then how in the world does the question of pillars come in? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy (Shamiaa’na) above the earth? In most Bengali translations of the Quran all Maulanas write: Allah akashke samiaana bannei-ese.

The Quran claims Allah gives rain from above! Ordinary People consider Allah as residing in the sky above the earth. But in cosmological science there is no up or down, that is, earth revolves and there is no fixed above or below for the earth. Every direction in outer space can be up or down. Are mountains there to prevent the earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered the sky as a roof over the earth which will break/be shattered during Doomsday

· Quran-78::19: And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

· Quran-82:01: When the Sky is cleft asunder

· Quran-69:16: And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will that day be flimsy(soft)

· Quran-81: 2: When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: The beautiful blue sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as a roof, sky or any canopy over the earth, rather all around the Earth is limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/get shattered or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open - there are no walls, so where will doors come from? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.”

Sun and Moon Rotates:

· Quran-31: 29: Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the Sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

· Quran-21: 33: It is He who created the Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them swim (float) along in its own course.

Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again in almost every page of the Quran. This is because Allah, standing in the open Arab desert, saw very well that every morning the SUN was rising from the east and gradually (at the appointed time) setting to the west, and as a result, day and night follow. Allah actually shared this misconception (the Sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah speaks of the Sun & Moon, he referred to Day & Night, as if it is due to the Sun’s movement that day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocritical Mullahs give false credit to Allah by saying: Look, the Quran described the Sun’s movement 1400 years ago, which modern science only found out now. In the real world, the Sun takes 225 million years to make just one complete circle through the galaxy. And obviously this movement of the Sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, the Sun is stationary for the earth in a real sense, because the Earth is stuck in the giant gravitational force of the Sun. The Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way that we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitational force and do not feel Earth’s movement at all. Why then, was Allah referring to the Sun’s movement again and again? I have already mentioned above, why Allah was mistaken about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming that this is science here. I wonder why Allah has to mention about the Sun’s 225 million year journey to tell about day and night? What does the Sun’s movement have to do with the day and night?

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Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)

· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?

· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….

Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

Man is Created From Clotted blood?

· Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators.

(Bengali translations of the Quran read: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran)

· Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

· Quran-96:2: Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

A blood clot can not grow into anything. This idea came from the Greeks. Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. The Quran’s assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth, hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The Quran described 4 stages which matches exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore of Canada_, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statues (Moorthy) out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman.

Which one is correct?

· Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

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· Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

· Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

· Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

· Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

· Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.

In Many Ayats Allah Claimed That, He Has Given the Quran in Easy and Clear Language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by ordinary Arabs.

· Quran-44:58: Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.

No matter which translation of the Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self-explanatory. It does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigoted Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

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The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, a lack of chronologies or chapters, grammatical errors etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran and the above mentioned ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.

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I cannot comment as I am no scholar. However I will say that calling the God of someone stupid and ignorant is many degrees worse than me calling your mother names.

The latter is unacceptable, and thus ( based on rules of mutual respect ) is the former.

The fact that you are copy pasting is no excuse. Please watch the manner in which you present your arguments.

JazakAllah.

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*Originally posted by Code_Red: *

Quran takes religious comunities as whole not on individual basis. jews are no devils and muslims are no angels. Quran just advice muslims to be cautious of them because of their cunning nature. Time proved it many a times.
Muslims ruled spain for around 800 years by far quite fairly. But no descendents of these muslims are found in spain. Muslims gave protection/shelter to Jews in Muslim countries, whenever they were expelled by other comunities for their mischievous nature, but we are still waiting for any reciprocal of those considerations bestowed upon them by Muslims
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It is only your personal apologetic clarification. Your holy book catagorically says that jews and christians can never be the friends of muslims. So if Moore is your true friend then your holy book is wrong.

And you have not accounted for those examples of wrong emryology in your holy book which were even overlooked by your very "talented" emryologist Mr. Moore., which I have mentioned in my previous post.

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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
I cannot comment as I am no scholar. However I will say that calling the God of someone stupid and ignorant is many degrees worse than me calling your mother names.

The latter is unacceptable, and thus ( based on rules of mutual respect ) is the former.

The fact that you are copy pasting is no excuse. Please watch the manner in which you present your arguments.

JazakAllah.
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You are right in pointing out the lack of mutual respect. The article I copy pasted is written by a muslim who is really fed up by unjust, unreal and false claims by his own community that their holy book is absolute word of absolute divine and that it is all scientific and that all sciences have been derived from that ancient book.

This false propoganda from the community side is so much strong in intensity that now it has started receiving intense and harsh opposition from within the community.

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assalaamu 'alaykum,

jazak allah khayran wa barak allahu feekum.

ps. ukhti/akhi do not argue with the idiot, it is useless, he is from amongst those who god describes as dumb, deaf and blind. we know our religion, our ideology if he has lost his he can go look for it.

wassalaam.

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You know basic force, you brought smile to my face like this → :slight_smile:

When i read your copy paste, It brought some 3 years old memories when i first saw that list of contradictions. Well thank you posting it.

There were some more contradictions which I remember now like one

[quran76:02]Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him..
[quran15:26] We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape
[quran21:30]..We made from water every living thing…

Now see the hight of contradiction God himself is confused how he created mankind ?

This was really amuzing, why the above is skipped out now :konfused:

I think that all those contradiction are valid and Quran is full of errors.

Now if some one thinks that above statement is true then why the hell so many people are converting to Islam ? Can they see that Islam is just another man made relligion ? The problem is that people are not dumb, they do research and find out the truth

On the other hand If some one think that these contradiction are rubbish, well I am afraid not all of them.

Although many Ayaat of quran deal with things we dont have definate knowledge as yet ( may be people after some decade be able to understand them better, like mention of 7 earths and 7 heavens etc). The writer has tried to manupulate those with the literary meaning with his own limited understanding.

  • Note: Detailed answers of these list of contradiction is also available on internet and will be quite beneficial for the one who will find it and will help them better understand quran, the credit will go to basic force :k:
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**Pk_taz **: The one who has a different point of view then your self in not necesarily stupid or idiot. They give you opposing views so that you will be able to understand your relligion better. In my view they are blessing.
More idiots are on our side unfortunately , who do not follow Allah’s order to think, reasearch and find out the truth. They rather get ready to cut off each other’s head if someone has a minor disagreement :nook:

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^ True... We must respect other's opinions. It is their lack of understanding. As Muslims we never give up hope and always do our part in expaining.

Besides, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world....with all these so called "contradictions" :)

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You seem quite frustrated as your sentence conflict with each other.

[quran21:30]
YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
PICKTHAL: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
SHAKIR: Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

I did’t found that sandwitch bit, may be you are hungry :nahnah:

Anyone can understand the meaning in simplest terms. You are trying to make it compicated for yourself by adding far fetched meanings to these simple verses.

Quran is manual for mankind, not a research paper or a text book of biology/chemistry. It talk about manking in detail and gives hints about scientific facts and asks reader to ponder about it, do research on it.