Altaf hussain Updates | Granted Pak Passport

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In the forum where most with bias mentality and tasubi mind, behaving as happen in Pakistan, that any innocent person who one do not like, regardless of him being guilty or not, criminal or not criminal, is taken as disliked by all (if not then abuse starts), and thus the person should get convicted … whereas any criminal lowly character (like Zardari or Nawaz) that a person likes or worships should never get convicted neither questioned … it is best for me to withhold my personal opinions on British law and put down facts (in British judiciary system) about arrest and bail (obviously with reference from British government official site … hence www address … gov.uk).

Please read specially highlighted bits, especially regarding when a person gets arrested and what bail means. I am putting them down, because it seems most are ignorant about it, and some are speculating too.

1. When you’re arrested

If you’re arrested, you’ll usually be taken to a police station, held in custody in a cell and then questioned.

After you’ve been taken to a police station, you may be released or charged with a crime.
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Your rights in custody**

The custody officer at the police station must explain your rights. You have the right to:

  • get free legal advice
  • tell someone where you are
  • have medical help if you’re feeling ill
  • see the rules the police must follow (‘Codes of Practice’)
  • see a written notice telling you about your rights - eg regular breaks for food and to use the toilet (you can ask for a notice in your language) or an interpreter to explain the notice

You’ll be searched and your possessions will be kept by the police custody officer while you’re in the cell.
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Young people under 18 and vulnerable adults**

The police must try to contact your parent, guardian or carer if you’re under 18 or a vulnerable adult.

They must also find an ‘appropriate adult’ to come to the station to help you and be present during questioning and searching. An appropriate adult can be:

  • your parent, guardian or carer
  • a social worker
  • another family member or friend aged 18 or over
  • a volunteer aged 18 or over

The National Appropriate Adult Network provides appropriate adult services in England and Wales.
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Your rights when being questioned**

The police may question you about the crime you’re suspected of - this will be recorded. You don’t have to answer the questions but there could be consequences if you don’t. The police must explain this to you by reading you the police caution:
“You do not have to say anything. However, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”

2. How long you can be held in custody

The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.

You can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.
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When you can be released on bail**

The police can release you on police bail if there’s not enough evidence to charge you. You don’t have to pay to be released on police bail, but you’ll have to return to the station for further questioning when asked.

You can be released on conditional bail if the police charge you and think that you may:

  • commit another offence
  • fail to turn up at court
  • intimidate other witnesses
  • obstruct the course of justice

This means your freedom will be restricted in some way, eg they can impose a curfew on you if your offence was committed at night.

[From above, it is obvious that, people can get arrested on suspicion of any kind. After that, police has 3 choice, one is to charge them, second is to give them police bail because no sufficient evidence is available and police decides further inquiries are needed, and third is to release them unconditional.

I believe (according to my opinion) in Altaf Bhai case, Police has given him bail making decision that there is no credible evidences present to charge him, and also decided that further enquirers are needed, either to charge him or get to the matter further.]

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Putting him on bail forces him to remain in the jurisdiction of Scotland Yard, and essentially puts him on the ECL.

I think that they have more than enough evidence to charge him in the money laundering case....but are perhaps waiting to get done with the investigation into Imran Farooq case, so that that can be lumped in with money laundering as well.

He was given a bail for the shortest time allowed by law. He has to report back in July, which means that by then, Scotland Yard hopes to wrap up the murder investigations as well.

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^^^ UK is not Pakistan where police lump up several cases into one, rather, all cases can run simultaneously with different sentences and fines. Actually, such do not even happen in Pakistan that cases are lumped together, unless cases come to court linked with each other :).

Further, police in UK do not give bail on murder cases, especially when they have sufficient evidences to charge or even credible suspicion that person is involved in murder (UK is not Pakistan where thugs, criminals and murderers like Nawaz and Zardari are let loose, rather become Prime Minister and President) ... and police in UK also do not keep secret what they are investigating a person for ... as every person police questions in UK has right to know what the person is getting questioned for, and can also have his lawyer with him present when getting questioned.

[It does not mean that in future, Altaf Bhai may not get charged of murder and money laundry ... that only police and time could tell ... but as the present situation is, I do not think British police have enough evidence ... or any credible evidence other than rhetoric of some Pakistanis ... to charge him for anything ... and rhetoric in UK do not make a person criminal].

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I do not have an iota of doubt that AH is a criminal. Most of his crimes have been perpetrated in Pakistan though, which made it much easier for him to live happily in England for so many years. Most of us are actually sad that the charges are ONLY money laundering. :stuck_out_tongue: I really do hope for the sake of thousands of families affected by his crimes that he is punished at least partly for them in this world. If you think this is bias, let it be. I am sick of this party systematically taking the city of Karachi hostage through violence and crying discrimination at the same time.

If Zardari or NS or other significant leaders of our dear Pakistan did in UK what they have been doing in Pakistan, they’d be behind bars long time ago as well.

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Only difference in your above post is that AH was committing crimes in Pakistan while sitting in UK. He was caught in one case and arrested. If NS or Zardari would have been doing what you are saying in UK both would have also landed in British jails, there is no doubt about it.

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Altaf Hussain was questioned for 7 hours and is due to report to Police again in July.

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Aap joke bohut achcha ker laytay ho :)

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Yea, that is what happens when police do not consider that there is enough evidence to charge a person, but thinks that investigation should continue. Please read my earlier post where I mentioned from British government site, the reason for bail.

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Please send your evidence which you based your confidence upon, to Britain police. You might save them some time and trouble. :)

My friend I am not saying he is not criminal but what I see is this mentality of condemning someone just because someone is charged of a crime. And that is utterly wrong. Simply based on preconceived ideas, bias and hatred.

PA forum is full of this sickening mentality and pulling legs of opposite party leaders/members.

Please make some educated comments.

And you believe that without any iota of doubt too. Good for you. ;)

What does as well mean?

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I don't think that there is lack of evidence, there is enough evidence to convict Altaf Hussain. I think that either they want to make a stronger case against him due to his profile or they want to blackmail him.

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As well as AH. If British police could charge criminals for crimes committed in other countries or if Zardari, NS, etc. were doing the things in UK which they have been doing in Pakistan.

You think NS and Zardari are not criminals? I don't have an iota of doubt about it. :P

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Please take away our right to criticize. We'll have nothing else to do here then :P

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That is what I thought you were saying but wanted to confirm.

News is that AH is NOT behind bar. But you are saying he IS.

There is a huge difference in (educated) criticism and pulling legs of political opponents in childish manner. Posting silly cartoons and calling names to political leaders etc.?

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I am saying he WOULD HAVE BEEN, had he been doing in UK what he does in Pak.

Our system would not have rich and powerful go to jail or pay for their crimes. This is the only way people 'dil ki bharaas' nikaling. That's the maximum we can do here. Much better than going out and torching random vehicles on streets.

Still, I would say the "quality" of discussion on PA here is much better than other political oriented Pakistani online forums.

By the way, have you ever seen Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert, for example, doing tia paancha of American politicians on TV? This forum seems much softer in comparison :D

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Police is not obliged to release a person on bail, especially just after 9 hours of questioning. Anyhow:

Leave enough evidence to convict Altaf Hussain, if there were reasonable reason for police to believe that Altaf Hussain is involved in crime, especially murder, then police is guilty of releasing a criminal and putting life of many in danger … and also left a criminal to interfere with evidences or neutralise them.

I do not think British police are incompetent idiots to do that. If Police wanted to make stronger case, they could have kept Altaf Hussain in custody and then would have gone for creating stronger case, but they would only do that if they think they have no credible sufficient evidences to get conviction. If there are enough credible evidences to get conviction, police do not bother about any further or stronger evidences as sufficient evidence suffice conviction.

Reason is that, police in UK do not take things personal (in most cases) to struggle for stronger evidences, rather they go for sufficient credible evidences that can bring conviction .. as such police attitude make jury suspicious about police presenting case.

Actually, too much negative public talks about a person that could even make jury bias, makes a case in UK null and void, regardless of any credible evidence against a person (making criminal go free from punishment, as court considers that case has become biased).

On the other hand, judges do not give judgment on police evidences, but it is jury, and jury see that police have not taken things personally, bias or over-enthusiastic to get someone convicted.

Anyhow … as for murder charges to stand in British court, police have to provide unquestionable evidence that person has given order to murder … like a note in his own writing or voice recording … and also that murder happened specifically due to his order and influence .. and in such case a person can be charged of abetting to murder (Z A Bhutto was charged due to same reason), and not murder.

For charges as murderer, a person has to commit murder personally, without any doubt.

So, think before making comments. :)

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You are quite right

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saanp nikal gaya.. ab lakeer peeti ja rahi hai :bailan:

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Perhaps you should have said "questioned as well" then. Not behind bar.

Who says people need to copy others?

Sarcasm, making educated fun of political rivals and jokes are all fine.

But there are posts which simply reek of hatred and calling names.Lets see here:

Kaala Naag

Pig

Taliban Khan

Mulla Diesal

Mulla Radio.

Mr. Ten Percent.

Ganja.

etc. Don't remember other 'names'...

That is what we need to do to get frustration out? Really?

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^ polite names, If you consider what these people have been up to. Lets agree to disagree here. :)

Just give you a very very minute example.

The way Maryam Nawaz Shareef was admitted to King Edward Medical College, she would have been convicted and at least fined heavily for it in any civilized country. This is the 'least harmful' thing I could think of about what these people do to my country.

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I don't think they have enough evidence against Altaf Hussain for the murder of Imran Farooq, but there is enough evidence to convict him of money laundering. Altaf Hussain was in police custody for more than 7 hours (not 9), even in hospital he was in police custody. I think he was in custody for close to 72 hours.

In a criminal case the burden of proof is greater and in a high profile case police would want to take their time and cover every angle. There will be other people involved as well and they would also need to be investigated.