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Renouncing citizenship is not required, but renouncing Loyalty is. In order to become and American citizen, a Pakistani citizen must swear an oath that they are no longer loyal to Pakistan.

"I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen".

You can keep your Pakistani citizenship, but you will have declared under oath that you have no remaining loyalty to Pakistan at all despite remaining a citizen.

Britain and Canada's oath puts Pakistani citizens in a position where they are obligated to be loyal to Britain/Canada while still being loyal to Pakistan.

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for all those saying pti is supporting mqm here is the press statement. hope so ab sub ko thand par jai gi

Press Statement of Chairman Imran Khan (June 4, 2014)

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Talat Hussain had yesterday tweeted that Pervaiz Musharraf was interested in MQM leadership.

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Police in UK never arrest anyone until they get strong evidence.... MQM chief Altaf Hussain is known criminal in Karachi.... Bhaat khor....

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Thand ka koi chance nahi…aur aag lagey gi.

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kal ek pml-n kay senator bhi yehi keh rahay thay in asma shirazi program

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Bhai Sb… app iss baat par behas mat karain kay woh Pakistani hai ya Nahi… sirf yeh dekhian kay British jail main yeh banda kesa lagay ga… :hmmm:

Pehli baat to yeh… Nawaz aur Asif Zardari kisi chamar ki aulad nahi hian… Khandani raees hain… zameenain hain… mills hian… establish business hia… jabkay Altaf Hussain aur MQM ka pora setup bhatty aur parchi par chalta hia… ager app iss bbat ko accept nahi kartay to main aapko yeh samjhon ga kay app nay parh likh kar bhi apna shaooor aur samjh khatam karli hia… karachi ka bacha bacha janta hia… MQM kay killers har factory say bhatta… har dukan par parchi aur har ghar say fitry kay paisay jabri tor par wasool kartay hia…

Nawaz aur Asif ka paisa Saudia aur Swiss bank main hia… unkay paisay ki legal source hoti hia… woh log chamaron ki tarah gali gali paisa nahi loty jaisay ka Altaf karta hia…

British police independent institute hai… aur ager koi aesa case samany aaya ho kay government kay pressure main reh kar kam karta hia… to phir woh UK nahi Pakistan ban jaye…

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If musharraf did that, then he would any non-karachiite support that he has anywhere else in the country. I see another repeat of imran farooq episode than altaf letting go of the leadership.

MQM went down the drain pretty much when azeem tariq was murdered by insiders. I am happy that mustafa kamal saw the light and distanced himself from MQM as people would sully him for whatever bs mqm does.

PS I do understand Saleem's plight. In an ideal world, the billionaire chor aka zardari would also be in court along with the 400k chor, but partly due to musharraf's NRO and then Pakistanis voting for PPP, forget that ever happening. I think the govt tried to re-open those cases but the statue of limitations has passed and a lot of the evidence was wasted by wajih hassan the former PPP appointed ambassador to london.

Now jiyalas can rejoice that bb's necklace paid for by pakistani taxpayers would soon be in possession of ZBZ.

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jasmeen manzoor @jasmeenmanzoor · 27mwe are being threaded to stop saying on TV to open city khi. Else we will be fixed !

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jasmeen manzoor @jasmeenmanzoor · 30mMqM qamar Mansoor has threatened Abbtakk staff today and now we got Threatening text messages that we will be fixed at the right time.

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Acha hey free meiN fix ho jaeiN ge. Warna acha khaasa kharcha ho jaata hey fix karwaney meiN :smiley:

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This is my understanding that Pakistani establishment wants to have Karachi's power split between two or more parties. One or all of them will be controlled by establishment itself.

My take on this would be several possibilities and scenarios based on the events of next 18 months.

Pak agency holding those two suspects, won't hand over them to Brits, so AH is only convicted or dragged into money laundering only.
AH gets bailed but is limited in his political activities, or jailed for 5-8 years. Out of business basically.
What Pak gets is a way to avoid violent reaction to AH fate, clean up MQM of terrorists that will also result in some 2nd tier leadership flee the country with looted money just like AH fled. The so called 'educated and acceptable' face of MQM will lead the remains of the party. It will be reduced to 40% of the power in the city + 70% Hyderabad. MQM will not be in a position to be a king maker or blackmail govt as they do. Possible contenders for leadership will be Ishratul Ibad, Musharraf, Haroon and Mustafa Kamal (on public demand, a case and hype would be created if required).

Since MQM will be reduced and disarmed, the ordinary Pakhtoon will not see the same tension in the city that MQM creates artifically for reasons, they will go with PTI along with massive support from educated Urdu/Panjabi speaking community of Karach (as seen in last election). PTI will have half the city. Jamat may or may not get a small share, but thats not clear at this point. Besides Jamat is not in good books for establishment for a long time.

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Jamat never really gets away from the books of the military. There is a reason that they got rid of munawwar hassan in a hurry compared to qazi.

Plus, isn't PTI a parhi likhi jamat anyway? I swear that i have met older jamat folks who are PTI'ans now.

Btw, this pashtoon problem is bigger than MQM now. Taliban are a confirmed presence in karachi and ANP, though not likely happening, or some other force would have to take them on politically and perhaps militarily. PTI fits the bill but the head scratching part is that Imran has a bromance with the talibans so karachi is still f((Cked in the end.

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Smooth guy, I don't see PTI in Karachi in any scenario. If some people voted for PTI last time then it was due to losing hope with Altaf bhai's MQM. This feeling will go away if new non violent leadership emerges in MQM.

You are also making it look like Pashtuns are not going for PTI due to MQM. This is not the true.

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MQM's problem is deeper than altaf hussain at the moment. It is like hitler saying don't kill slavs and the SS assassinate him.

Forget fictional scenarios, look at Rabin and how he was killed for being a peacenik by one of his own.

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There will be vacuum on Pashtoon side as well. Not all Pashtoon (just like Urdu speaking) own guns or like to have tension as we have seen in last 30 years in the city. Perhaps a lot of them are poor labor. Once they have 'no enemy' aka MQM militancy in the city, they know Urdu speaking folks very well as alot of them are employed by them, they will go with PTI for sure. Labor, daily wages, domestic servants and transporters (not owners) know the strikes and target killing affects and if given an option, they will stand with PTI not ANP. It is generalization yes, but its true for majority. Some transporters and other elements will still be supporting ANP. The racial issue will go away with time from the city.

Taliban is truly a Intelligence/military problem when it comes to Karachi. PTI will distance from them, or else jeopardize their support. Karachi/Lahore people like to criticize 'drone this drone that...poor FATA ppl etc', but when the Taliban jinnie dances on their own streets, they will scream like hell. Thats the reality.

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Khoji, PTI was a first timer in KHI in 2013. The realignment will happen and the space will be there in both communities.
As far as MQM is concern, a true winning position in the city is in certain areas, you and I can name them. This is when elections are done without any type of rigging.
If the fear factor remains, then situation will be different. I still expect New Karachi, Golimar, Baldia, Orangi, Korangi, Khara-Methadar and Liaquatabd voting for MQM (unarmed).

Imagine politically unarmed city. MQM, PTI, JI, ANP, PML and PPP with election camps outside the polling stations. Elections under military presence on ground.
You and I will be surprised if that ever happened in Karachi. The change is written on the wall.

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Interesting - the Pakistan High Commission has requested if it can contact Altaf Hussain to offer consular assistance but has not received a reply.

I wonder (hope) if the UK government will consider that as a UK citizen under arrest in the UK Altaf Hussain is not eligible for foreign assistance.

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My question answered from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office site.

"Under international law, a State may not give consular assistance to one of its nationals if
he or she is in a country whose citizenship that person also holds – i.e. if you are British and,
for example, Chinese, the British representative in China cannot give you consular assistance
whilst you are in China. "

Meaning Pakistan is not allowed to offer any help to a Pakistani citizen in the UK if that citizen is also a UK citizen.

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And you think NS govt didnt know that? They have zero sympathies with AH but they gotto show some lame effort here.

There was a reason why his NIC/Passport app was delayed despite him putting up urgent requests