Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ‘‘Mistake’’, Video clip
Ghauri is such a typical MQM thug… This is the worst party in Pakistan… I think we should welcome Altaf Hussains comments if it means getting rid of these people. Let India deal with them.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Too much mud slinging going on in here. This is a moderated thread. All posts require prior approval from me.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
If you look at Pakistan's history, you cannot disagree with that statement on factual basis. There is a very real possibility of genocide against mohajirs like was done against bengalis in 71.
You are such a na-shukra man, and so is ur mqm -- and mqm does not mean all urdu-speakings. I agree there have been injustice with small provinces in our history, but still, myself being from one of those small provinces i believe you guys have just B$ basis to say such things. Mostly, urdu-speakings (or muhajirs, as u call urself) live in cities -- not to mention karachi, but i bet a villager and a deprived poor pakistani will have the love for Pakistan than you mqm traitors.
Other nations, like europe, have gone through evolution process and now are the civilized nations. But, in their dark ages they too had messed-up societies. Pakistani nation is also going through its evolution, and at such a stage, it is very likely that bad things happen in any nation. But, calling it a 'greater greatest blunder', surely shows the shortsightedness, immaturity, betrayal and treachery.
You and ur like-minded, knowing the cruelties of mqm and still supporting its ill-policies (just because of ur ethnic relation to it), remind me of the verse of Quran that says about the people 'jin ke dilon per muhr lagi hoti hai'. Do urself a favour ... tell urself that u r brain-washed, and seek help from Allah that guide you (and all of us) to the truth.
And, as u predict of a genocide against mohajirs, it's another baseless crap that you and ur leadership always use to inflame people.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
I personally think Division of India was the Biggest blunder in history. And I am not alone. There are many Pakistanis who feels the same. Even Jinnah regretted his decision and said partition of India was the biggest mistake. As Jinnah himself put it, "Pakistan has been the biggest mistake of my life." Partition of India is truly the sorest point in the Indian sub-continent's history, when a new nation was born amidst humungous turmoil and violence that later both countries have regretted and will do so for the rest of their existence.
The partition of India led to the biggest migration in history as the Indian subcontinent was carved up to create Pakistan. It was the most complex "divorce" in history, about dividing a country of 400 million people.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
^^ this guy belongs in a Mental Asylum
Do you disagree with him that Pakistan's creation was a mistake?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
freedom of speech is good, yeah?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
^^ this guy belongs in a Mental Asylum
Don't you say yourself that creation of Pakistan was a mistake?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Do you disagree with him that Pakistan's creation was a mistake?
Looking back, the creation Pakistan was a mistake because as a Untied India, muslims would have been much stronger than they are right now.
I disagree with him when he says it was the greatest blunder in the history of the world
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Sometimes I feel ashamed to be a Pakistani when I see Altaf Hussein complaining about existence of Pakistan (by dividing Bharat), we have 'leaders' who whine of existence of their very own country and ashamed that we have people who still vote for him (his party) but then if loots and dacoits like Benazir and Ganja can get re-elected time after time then so can MQM.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Some facts for you all to think on.
Pakistan's creation divided up the Muslims and reduced their power and there are today more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Punjab initially never supported the creation of Pakistan due to the influence of the feudal class and the Unionist party. It was only after the feudals realized how much power they could yield in this new country did they begin to support Pakistan.
Similar situation in Sindh, where the Sindhi feudals led by GM Syed started supporting Pakistan movement after they realized they could throw out the Sindhi Hindus, most of whom were the money lenders these feudals owed large sums of money too.
For Pashtuns, it was the slogan for Islam vs the rest that made them support Pakistan since they were not given the choice for Pashtunistan.
Balochs never wanted Pakistan but Pakistan invaded Kalat states and occupied it.
Bengalis and Indian Muslims were the most supportive fo the Pakistan movement from the beginning and they both got the worst deal when it was realized that the true meaning of what Pakistan was to be and Jinnah's vision was never followed through. Pakistan was occupied by the feudals and army generals who saw the country as their fiefdom.
As a result the establishment ended up committing genocide against the Bengalis who wanted their rights back, until 90,000 soldiers surrendered to India.
The same plan was initiated to stop Mohajirs from gaining back their stolen rights but this too failed after thousands of Mohajris were massacred by the establishment forces.
This is the legacy of Pakistan that is written in the history books and some choose to ignore it, while others will keep it close to their hearts as a reminder of the brutality of the Pakistani establishment. The same establishment that killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Delete the truth, so what is the point of this thread?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
The same plan was initiated to stop Mohajirs from gaining back their stolen rights but this too failed after thousands of Mohajris were massacred by the establishment forces.
This is the legacy of Pakistan that is written in the history books and some choose to ignore it, while others will keep it close to their hearts as a reminder of the brutality of the Pakistani establishment. The same establishment that killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
Let me give you a reality check, Pakistan is reality and its NOT going anywhere. If you don't feel welcomed in Pakistan or if you feel ashamed of being a Pakistani please leave at your convenient to your Bharat. Just hope and pray that likes of fascist Mondi don't get hold of you and likes of your, and , oh, yea, and don't forget to take Altaf Bhai with you. He might need a asylum again once kicked out of the UK.
As for 3 million Bengalis being killed by PA thats pure BS. Hitler killed 6 million Jews in 10 years... how did PA managed to killed 3 million Bengalis in 10 months when it was fighting war on 2 fronts? That is not only logistically impossible, but nobody ever found death camps, mass graves or gas chambers. Keep recycling Indian propaganda it wont get you anywhere.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Some facts for you all to think on.
Pakistan's creation divided up the Muslims and reduced their power and there are today more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Punjab initially never supported the creation of Pakistan due to the influence of the feudal class and the Unionist party. It was only after the feudals realized how much power they could yield in this new country did they begin to support Pakistan.
Similar situation in Sindh, where the Sindhi feudals led by GM Syed started supporting Pakistan movement after they realized they could throw out the Sindhi Hindus, most of whom were the money lenders these feudals owed large sums of money too.
For Pashtuns, it was the slogan for Islam vs the rest that made them support Pakistan since they were not given the choice for Pashtunistan.
Balochs never wanted Pakistan but Pakistan invaded Kalat states and occupied it.
Bengalis and Indian Muslims were the most supportive fo the Pakistan movement from the beginning and they both got the worst deal when it was realized that the true meaning of what Pakistan was to be and Jinnah's vision was never followed through. Pakistan was occupied by the feudals and army generals who saw the country as their fiefdom.
As a result the establishment ended up committing genocide against the Bengalis who wanted their rights back, until 90,000 soldiers surrendered to India.
The same plan was initiated to stop Mohajirs from gaining back their stolen rights but this too failed after thousands of Mohajris were massacred by the establishment forces.
This is the legacy of Pakistan that is written in the history books and some choose to ignore it, while others will keep it close to their hearts as a reminder of the brutality of the Pakistani establishment. The same establishment that killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
Imagine the number of killings that would not have happened because of partition of India, and the decades old hatred present in the minds of Indians and Pakistan. There is jealousy, suspicion, hatred against each other.
Instead of Partition , there should have been a number of states under India and some states should have been Muslim majority.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Some facts for you all to think on.
Pakistan's creation divided up the Muslims and reduced their power and there are today more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Punjab initially never supported the creation of Pakistan due to the influence of the **************** ******edit************ killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
^ Yeah same division that gave safe haven to millions of muslim, for if that had not happened massacres like GUJRAT would not be the only ones in INDIA..
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Some facts for you all to think on.
Pakistan's creation divided up the Muslims and reduced their power and there are today more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Punjab initially never supported the creation of Pakistan due to the influence of the feudal class and the Unionist party. It was only after the feudals realized how much power they could yield in this new country did they begin to support Pakistan.
Similar situation in Sindh, where the Sindhi feudals led by GM Syed started supporting Pakistan movement after they realized they could throw out the Sindhi Hindus, most of whom were the money lenders these feudals owed large sums of money too.
For Pashtuns, it was the slogan for Islam vs the rest that made them support Pakistan since they were not given the choice for Pashtunistan.
Balochs never wanted Pakistan but Pakistan invaded Kalat states and occupied it.
Bengalis and Indian Muslims were the most supportive fo the Pakistan movement from the beginning and they both got the worst deal when it was realized that the true meaning of what Pakistan was to be and Jinnah's vision was never followed through. Pakistan was occupied by the feudals and army generals who saw the country as their fiefdom.
As a result the establishment ended up committing genocide against the Bengalis who wanted their rights back, until 90,000 soldiers surrendered to India.
The same plan was initiated to stop Mohajirs from gaining back their stolen rights but this too failed after thousands of Mohajris were massacred by the establishment forces.
This is the legacy of Pakistan that is written in the history books and some choose to ignore it, while others will keep it close to their hearts as a reminder of the brutality of the Pakistani establishment. The same establishment that killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
All this does not justify MQM to put the urdu speaking people up against every other local people in Pakistan. Does it?
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Some facts for you all to think on.
Pakistan's creation divided up the Muslims and reduced their power and there are today more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Punjab initially never supported the creation of Pakistan due to the influence of the feudal class and the Unionist party. It was only after the feudals realized how much power they could yield in this new country did they begin to support Pakistan.
Similar situation in Sindh, where the Sindhi feudals led by GM Syed started supporting Pakistan movement after they realized they could throw out the Sindhi Hindus, most of whom were the money lenders these feudals owed large sums of money too.
For Pashtuns, it was the slogan for Islam vs the rest that made them support Pakistan since they were not given the choice for Pashtunistan.
Balochs never wanted Pakistan but Pakistan invaded Kalat states and occupied it.
Bengalis and Indian Muslims were the most supportive fo the Pakistan movement from the beginning and they both got the worst deal when it was realized that the true meaning of what Pakistan was to be and Jinnah's vision was never followed through. Pakistan was occupied by the feudals and army generals who saw the country as their fiefdom.
As a result the establishment ended up committing genocide against the Bengalis who wanted their rights back, until 90,000 soldiers surrendered to India.
The same plan was initiated to stop Mohajirs from gaining back their stolen rights but this too failed after thousands of Mohajris were massacred by the establishment forces.
This is the legacy of Pakistan that is written in the history books and some choose to ignore it, while others will keep it close to their hearts as a reminder of the brutality of the Pakistani establishment. The same establishment that killed 3 million Bengalis, gave the world the Taliban and spread nuclear weapons to other repressive states like North Korea.
If that is not a great blunder then what is?
All of this do not justify MQM put urdu speaking people in confrontation against all other communities in Pakistan.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Has somebody ever thought about Mush's sincerity and allegiance to Pakistan?
We all know MQM thugs and their Indianness Altaf Hussein is the scum of this earth who openly declares his hate for Pakistan and that too on Indian soil.
The question is why did the army, the core commanders and the biggest satan mush support Altaf bhai's MQM?
The answer is simple **Musharraf is a traitor. **His roots are Indian and he is one of them. He has sold off Pakistan very cheap while showing Pakistanis that the economy has done so well and that the media is free.
Great! No wonder bengalis left Pakistan [same propaganda back then] and now it is the same against a "mohajir". Bangladesh has prospered [up until 9/11 had more reserves than Pakistan] and so might a free karachi. No wonder MQM's fascism survives in Karachi.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
All this does not justify MQM to put the urdu speaking people up against every other local people in Pakistan. Does it?
It is a cycle. It was started around Ayub's era and it wasn't that bad until feudal bhutto decided to "nationalize" all businesses [then institute quota system] and karachi naturally lost a lot of its private enterprise / entrepreneurs as it is the business capital of Pakistan [back then Punjab wasn't very developed either]. Then you had parties like PPI [no one ever is "disgusted" by them here?] coming and taking people off buses and killing them just for being "mahajir". I never hear any complaints about such party as I have found that this site itself contains ethnofascists from all over Pakistan. I consider myself a pakistani and my parents always did but the bs treatment from the "nationalist" sindhi/punjabi/pathan etc with establishment backing have made other people look for this mahajir identity.
I seriously have thought what would make bengalis, the most ardent supporters of Pakistan, want to abandon it in 1971? They weren't some stupid idiots who would just succumb to indian propaganda [actually very politically conscious] unlike what some punjabi armywalas want you to believe.
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Great! No wonder bengalis left Pakistan [same propaganda back then] and now it is the same against a "mohajir". Bangladesh has prospered [up until 9/11 had more reserves than Pakistan] and so might a free karachi. No wonder MQM's fascism survives in Karachi.
To all who hate "mahajirs", remember if you f*ck with them then hum to doobay hain sanam, tumhain bhee le doobain gain. ;)
Oh mr. clever....
I am a mohajir myself ( i mean my grandparents from both sides)...urdu speaking...so many in my family...
I have nothing against anybody or any race.
Racism stinks.
All i am saying is that terrorists like altaf and mush are after all citizens of Pakistan. for people who rule us, race, nationality, religion, ethics, values, have no meaning. Its only money!
who does altaf think he is, a ghunda badmash, killer and murder. who gave hime the right to represent and speak for all mohajirs? He is exploiting them - the urdu speaking people - bhattaa, killing, you name it,,,,all in the name of "rights of mohajirs"
Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip
Couple of points,
Talk to any Indian Muslim and he will tell you what conditions Muslims live in India. There neighborhoods are the wrost and they are the least educated people. On the other hand people who came on donkey carts to Pakistan (see the footage of the partition) and a country which did not have any money or any industry in 1947, today is a nuclear power. I agree that Pakistan has many many problems dealing with poverty, education and corruption but I still like my chances in Pakistan than India as a Muslim.
In conclusion, Altaf bhai is as usaul taking out of his rear end. Besides, why is he in UK? I am sure India will accept him with open arms. May be he should go there and leave Pakistanis alone.