Also Pakistan .........

[GoldenAsif]

Re: Also Pakistan …

@phoenixdesi

i agree…i never said it was all zia fault although he was the master architect of trying to islamize our society and thus creating all these problems but it was bhutto who infused religion into constitution under molvi pressure.

i deliberately used the comparison of maikada and mosque to make my point that we want a peaceful and tolerant society and if a maikada-based pak where we will have mosques as well will give me that then i am all for it…i cannot go to mosque in pakistan anyway as a bomb blast may take place!

the point that i am trying to make is that history has taught us that no religion has absolutely ever succeeded in shaping a society…Judaism, Christianity hindusim and isliamism…no one…Christians finally got rid of church and became free…we muslim countries are facing the same dilemma but sooner or later we will free ourselves of these mullahs and their emotional blackmailing

because **religion is not meant to shape a society..if it is, give me one single example in last 1400 years where islam shaped a society and every institution was being developed and governed by islamic principles…they were all kings and families who ran kingdoms and some times used islam as a name…

religion is only good enough to be followed in personal sphere and gain spiritual pleasure and bring discipline to your life…that too if you want it…not by compulsion**

some posters are shamelessly calling me names but they dont reflect on pathetic situation of pakistan…no one is talking abt the economic deterioration here.. discussion is abt societal tolerance…right now religious sect killing is all time high…people are generally fanatic and less tolerant in pak…all minorities are being killed. no one is saying that open nude beaches and pubs everywhere but the point is how will we have religious tolerance..just opening more mosques is not the answer..

Agree

Slightly off topic but interestingly enough we see injustice or lack of merit-based appointments right from the beginning i.e. from the time of Liaqat. When you make such biased decisions based on personal/political ambitions, elected leaders lose all moral authority imo (and support within the army’s top brass)

• Ayub was appointed the country’s first native commander-in-chief in 1951 by then-Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan in a controversial promotion over several senior officers**.**** Aged 44 Ayub was the youngest army chief in our history.** Then in 1958 President Iskander Mirza declared martial law and appointed Ayub as CMLA. I mean how stupid is that?
  Ayub Khan (field marshal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Bhutto made the same mistake when in 1976 he promoted Zia ahead of a number of more senior officers … Yeh ‘duffer conservative apolitical molvi’ mera kya bigarr ley ga? He will always be my obedient servant!

• NS did the same when in 1998 he promoted Musharraf ahead of three more senior lieutenant generals … Yeh apolitical urdu-speaking hai, he probably doesn’t have huge support within the Punjabi-dominated army and will never dare to oust me!
  Lt Gen. Ali Kuli Khan was the deserving candidate Ali Kuli Khan Khattak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia