All opposition parties except PPP (whats left?) has decided to form a new alliance which will be called “APDM” (All Parties Democratic Movement). Get ready to be entertained as biggest jokers of all time have gathered in this alliance such as Nawaz sub-kuch-but Sharif, Imran 2-face Khan, munafiq Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Maulana Fazal diesel and so on. As per PML(N) there are 30 parties in the alliance (but sources were unable to provide all 30 names ). As a result ARD (which was created by Nawab-Zada-Nussarullah) has effectively dissolved
Re: Alright guys and gals - There is a new circus in town "APDM"
Decent 6Chora, I understand that we are all disgusted and disappointed in the political parties/personnel, I would request you to change the names to not ridicule God's name or hurt sectarian feelings i.e. Qazi munafiq Hussein (you can call him Qazi munafiq or munafiq Qazi Hussein), please change Fazal-ur diesel Rehman to Maulan Diesel Fazal ... just my humble request.
As for topic, I agree this is another joker alliance, they would sneak out of it one by one.
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As per PML(N) there are 30 parties in the alliance (but sources were unable to provide all 30 names :D ).
heh must be very well respected and important part of this alliance when the source cant even name them all.
shabaash
waisay nawaz, imran and mullash make rather strange bedfellows.
was nawaz not on Imran's case about his hanky panky?
and did Imran not blast Nawaz for his corruption and property in UK
and are mullahs not worried about implemnting shariah now that its proven that Imran sahab's forgot the advise of "wrap it before you slap it" and has proof of his extramarital relationship ( yes fazl and qazi, that is what you refer to as Zina)
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The only sad thing about this is that to mine ear, this pushes the PPP towards the government. Which means Benazir's third term as PM just became a little bit more likely :(
Re: Alright guys and gals - There is a new circus in town "APDM"
The only sad thing about this is that to mine ear, this pushes the PPP towards the government. Which means Benazir's third term as PM just became a little bit more likely :(
yyyupp. I am thinking, jokes aside, what is the political future of PML-N? Especially if it decides to boycott the general elections? Would they remain relevant by 2012? Would they remain at all by then? What will the political landscape look like minus PML-N? Who stands to gain most? PTI..MQM..MMA?
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I think if PML(N) goes and all else stays constant, MQM gets very little, MMA some bit, PTI more than MQM but less than MMA and PPP, PPP some.
but you may have other players emerge as well, since nothign is constant
What about PML-Q? If PML-N dies of attrition, then the most natural alternative for most of them would be to join Q league. Another matter whether Q League itself will last longer than N. PPP might be the biggest gainer in Punjab if N goes. What if there is a revolt inside N? Some "career" politicians might not like the unbending attitude of Nawaz Shareef and could end up striking a deal with the establishment. Shehbaz Sharif might lead the rebel group, if any is formed. Interesting scenarios. NS will have to be very careful if he wants to boycott the elections. It might actually be the end of N league as we know it.
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If Shehbaz rebels, establishment will be behind him 200% even if Musharraf is not on the scene. No COAS in the future is likely to wish for NS as prime minister. He should take his chance. High risk/high return. He could easily end up PM. If he stays under NS, he is unlikely to go beyond Punjab CM anytime soon, if at all.
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If Shehbaz rebels, establishment will be behind him 200% even if Musharraf is not on the scene. No COAS in the future is likely to wish for NS as prime minister. He should take his chance. High risk/high return. He could easily end up PM. If he stays under NS, he is unlikely to go beyond Punjab CM anytime soon, if at all.
are u hearing about discord in PML(N) camp and split b/w brothers?
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It could be a good thing for democracy, but under these guys, we might as well have been left with no Democracy..
Imran Khan I like however...
Instead of giving up on democracy, we should be looking towards a system where everyone is accountable in one way or the other so that no one thinks as a king of himself/herself.
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If Shehbaz rebels, establishment will be behind him 200% even if Musharraf is not on the scene. No COAS in the future is likely to wish for NS as prime minister. He should take his chance. High risk/high return. He could easily end up PM. If he stays under NS, he is unlikely to go beyond Punjab CM anytime soon, if at all.
He categorically in a recent interview to Shahid Masood that for him BROTHER IS FIRST and then comes the POLITICS ...... i don't see the scenario you describe happening in near future
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Since 1970's, Pakistani politics are divided between pro-PPP and anti-PPP. This is just a continuation of the same. BB-Mush deal is rumored to be close, and BB's unconditional support of government action in Lal Masjid is a clear indication that BB feels her time is here. Mullahs had historically fared poorely in Pakistan electoral politics (despite their noise value). But last time around they did pretty well in NWFP and Balochistan. They must be feeling more ambitious this time around. Imran (arguably is good - untested - but) is a one-man army. Shujaat & Co will look for a new sugar daddy as soon as Musharraf's "tayyara fazza mein futt giya hai". They will become irrelevant outside regional politics.
I know many people who say Musharraf is a dictator. He is bad for the country. Country is better off without a military dictator. Etc etc. The question that trumps them is "ok, if you don't support Musharraf, do you want to go back to the days of NS and BB and endless corruption?". No credible answer. Put simply, Pakistan has not produced good, patriotic leaders. This APDM is just a bhaan mati ka kunba, who are joined at just a one-point agenda, which is to kick out Musharraf. They have enough differences amongst themselves (on important ideological and political issues) that once Musharraf goes away this APDM won't survive a month.
Re: Alright guys and gals - There is a new circus in town "APDM"
Since 1970's, Pakistani politics are divided between pro-PPP and anti-PPP. This is just a continuation of the same. BB-Mush deal is rumored to be close, and BB's unconditional support of government action in Lal Masjid is a clear indication that BB feels her time is here. Mullahs had historically fared poorely in Pakistan electoral politics (despite their noise value). But last time around they did pretty well in NWFP and Balochistan. They must be feeling more ambitious this time around. Imran (arguably is good - untested - but) is a one-man army. Shujaat & Co will look for a new sugar daddy as soon as Musharraf's "tayyara fazza mein futt giya hai". They will become irrelevant outside regional politics.
I know many people who say Musharraf is a dictator. He is bad for the country. Country is better off without a military dictator. Etc etc. The question that trumps them is "ok, if you don't support Musharraf, do you want to go back to the days of NS and BB and endless corruption?". No credible answer. Put simply, Pakistan has not produced good, patriotic leaders. This APDM is just a bhaan mati ka kunba, who are joined at just a one-point agenda, which is to kick out Musharraf. They have enough differences amongst themselves (on important ideological and political issues) that once Musharraf goes away this APDM won't survive a month.
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Sound analysis. Would a PPP-Mush alliance mean the end of the MMA? It would be difficult to see this "grand coalition."
On a separate note, where is President Musharraf's support? Many on this forum seem to be Pakistanis abroad so I would imagine that urbanized, educated groups would form a core base of support. I recognize that he is not worried about getting elected, but it would helpful to discern if Musharraf's popular support is slipping. The statements by politicians are not worthy of discussion.
Re: Alright guys and gals - There is a new circus in town "APDM"
Since 1970's, Pakistani politics are divided between pro-PPP and anti-PPP. This is just a continuation of the same. BB-Mush deal is rumored to be close, and BB's unconditional support of government action in Lal Masjid is a clear indication that BB feels her time is here. Mullahs had historically fared poorely in Pakistan electoral politics (despite their noise value). But last time around they did pretty well in NWFP and Balochistan. They must be feeling more ambitious this time around. Imran (arguably is good - untested - but) is a one-man army. Shujaat & Co will look for a new sugar daddy as soon as Musharraf's "tayyara fazza mein futt giya hai". They will become irrelevant outside regional politics.
I know many people who say Musharraf is a dictator. He is bad for the country. Country is better off without a military dictator. Etc etc. The question that trumps them is "ok, if you don't support Musharraf, do you want to go back to the days of NS and BB and endless corruption?". No credible answer. Put simply, Pakistan has not produced good, patriotic leaders. This APDM is just a bhaan mati ka kunba, who are joined at just a one-point agenda, which is to kick out Musharraf. They have enough differences amongst themselves (on important ideological and political issues) that once Musharraf goes away this APDM won't survive a month.
the flaw in your argument is that we have endless corruption now too. even if things go back to NS/BB after mush goes and we have a representative elections based government atleast that puts the onus of getting good leaders on one's people and wed have a system that has produced credible leadership in time everywhere else in the world, no reason to suppose that eventually it wouldnt start working for us too, even if we get hammered for a few years.
). As a result ARD (which was created by Nawab-Zada-Nussarullah) has effectively dissolved